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dluan ◴[] No.45271565[source]
Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart.

PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list.

I guess my point is when does recognition turn into action.

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nakamoto_damacy ◴[] No.45273157[source]
I used to shame PG for his elitist views. Now I celebrate his moral courage.

One man cannot fix everything.

Dear PG (I'm sure you don't read HN, but this is yet another echo),

As I said on X, your own platform (YCombinator) is still full of hateful bigots who would censor/downvote even the mildest form of speaking against the genocide. Proof: this comment being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism is akin to censorship. It's being abused.

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adastra22 ◴[] No.45273365[source]
Having a difference of opinion on a very complicated geopolitical situation that is the culmination of a century of regional conflict is not being a "hateful bigot" or abuse.
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nakamoto_damacy ◴[] No.45273407[source]
Genocide is not complicated.
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trhway[dead post] ◴[] No.45273587[source]
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nakamoto_damacy[dead post] ◴[] No.45273692[source]
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adastra22 ◴[] No.45273851{3}[source]
Gaza Health Ministry is literally Hamas. When they took power, they replaced the leadership (much like RFK Jr. is doing at the CDC now). In addition to GHM leadership being unqualified Hamas operatives, all numbers and repots are vetted by Hamas proper before release.

Please stop polluting the conversation with ChatGPT slop.

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sillyfluke ◴[] No.45274122{4}[source]
The Gaza Health Ministry, whatever that is, is known to be undercounting deaths because it doesn't count corpses that haven't been reached.

Why is a former Israeli general saying that deaths are at least 200,000?[0] And Israel military intelligence saying 80% of death are civilians? Are they also Hamas?

Netanyahu is on record prior to October 7th bragging about how Israel aided Hamas, a designated terror organization by their book, in order to weaken the PLO. You have no legs to stand on.

You're arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant because you're not adressing what has been talked about ad nauseum by the other side.

[0] https://portside.org/2025-09-13/ex-idf-chief-confirms-gaza-c...

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trhway ◴[] No.45274293{5}[source]
I didn't get it - do you agree or disagree that the Ministry of Health is HAMAS which is a terrorist organization which in particular perpetrated genocide of Jewish people on Oct 7, 2023.

HAMAS perpetrated the genocide of Jewish people, and now its propaganda is used as the basis to declare genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Jewish state while fighting against HAMAS. You don't see anything strange here?

And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?

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hvb2 ◴[] No.45274570{6}[source]
> And another strange thing - why UN didn't call out the genocide of Jewish people by HAMAS?

Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right?

Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that.

No one is justifying October 7.

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1. trhway ◴[] No.45274698{7}[source]
>Just look at death tolls maybe? October 7, 1200 people. While despicable, nowhere near the effort Israel is putting in, right?

Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers.

It sounds though that for you the numbers do matter, and that the 1200 deaths isn't enough for you. What number is enough for you?

>No one is justifying October 7.

You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters?

>Aside from the affect that the Israeli government has pretty much said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and are actively working towards that.

Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues (Jordan for example kicked out Palestinians from Jordan back then when the Palestinians attacked Jordan which was hosting them at the time - a lot of similarities to how Palestinians attacked Israel. Nobody argued against expelling Palestinians from Jordan back then). Or do you mean that Gaza is the Motherland of those living there, and they aren't refugees anymore?

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2. hvb2 ◴[] No.45275701[source]
> Crime of genocide has nothing to do with numbers.

It does, not in absolute sense put in percentages. Also, besides weapons of mass destruction you cannot commit genocide in a day on a population this big. It's the persistence that does it.

No one ever called 9/11 genocide either right?

> You haven't heard any pro-Palestinian protests and their various supporters?

I mean in this thread, obviously. You want to own all of the stuff coming out of ben gvir and smotrich? Because if you do, we can settle the genocide discussion right here.

> Moving refugees from one camp to another may be warranted to solve serious security issues

So as soon as you've invaded an area and created the refugees you can push them wherever you want?

We're not talking about Israel pushing refugees out of their country.

And finally, where are they supposed to go, and how?