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1. mjburgess ◴[] No.45273438[source]
Every major genocide I can think of has been precipitated by the actions of the victim group against the oppressor group. Indeed, in many cases, it's explicit that the perpetrators were looking for just such a pretence.

The most serious genocide we're all aware of began, indeed, with a terrorist incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht) -- a jewish boy assassinated a german diplomat.

This comment also conflates Hamas with the civilian population of gaza. The genocide isnt against Hamas -- we all regard israel's killing of enemy military combtants as not included in this crime.

Here's an interview with a senior UNICEF worker about israel's actions against the civilian population : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAo2j6aih0

This is not about israel incidentally hitting civilians. It's about the deliberate policy of mass starvation, withholding of medical supplies (incubators, pain killers, the lot), and the placing of the only "allowed" aid-distribution centres (4 out of a previous 400) in the middle of active war zones -- so that to recieve any aid at all, you have to go through active fire.

This has nothing to do with israel's actions against Hamas

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2. dominicrose ◴[] No.45273593[source]
The terrorist attack of 2023 had such magnitude that Israel was allowed to do 50 times worse with no immediate punishment, but this pretence is getting old and they're in too deep: I think that the people who think that it's possible for both parties to live in peace are kidding themselves. There is no good solution to this conflict because enemies cannot suddenly become friends. There are only bad "solutions".
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3. mjburgess ◴[] No.45273645[source]
Only holding fixed the position of the US. The US can impose any solution on the situation it likes.

You're assuming a determinism here following from the narrow tribal logic of the situation, but you have King Kong with his thumb on the scale.

4. kalberg6429 ◴[] No.45274358[source]
>The terrorist attack of 2023 had such magnitude that Israel was allowed to do 50 times worse with no immediate punishment, but this pretence is getting old and they're in too deep

Huh? Israel is literally founded upon "Jewish-Zionist Terrorism" as in "Jewish-Zionist Terrorism And The Establishment Of Israel" - https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir...

Israel has always been allowed to commit any crime it wants "with no immediate punishment", no sanctions, but maybe a few mean words. Sometimes certain governments would impose a symbolic sanctions on specific individual lunatic settlers as a form of "see we did some thing", but otherwise Israel's history is the history of impunity.