←back to thread

Europe is locking itself in to US LNG

(davekeating.substack.com)
151 points hunglee2 | 1 comments | 16 Sep 25 13:56 UTC | HN request time: 0.292s | source
Show context
probablypower ◴[16 Sep 25 14:53 UTC] No.45263135[source]▶
There are a lot of posts here pushing batteries.

Batteries are an expensive solution that doesn't scale well at the grid level. It is useful for grid stability (fast frequency response) but simply a non-starter when you're dealing with national grids.

Batteries are an added cost to the system, without producing more electricity, and as a result prices will go up.

A far cheaper source of flexibility is Demand Side Response. Particularly data centres that are willing to be market actors. Compute can happen anywhere, so it should happen where the wind blows and the sun shines. It is cheaper to transmit bits than Megawatts.

replies(7): >>45263416 #>>45263663 #>>45264160 #>>45265286 #>>45266127 #>>45268373 #>>45272671 #
1. ViewTrick1002 ◴[17 Sep 25 06:57 UTC] No.45272671[source]▶
In Californias batteries have in recent years decreased the fossil gas usage by ~40% and essentially removed the duck curve.

Demand side response is of course cheaper but there will always be people willing to buy it expensive electricity to fulfill a certain demand.

Take a BEV. The charging is generally optimized for when electricity is cheap and abundant, but when going on a roadtrip without flexibility in their charging people are willing to pay more.

Paying more opens the possibility for batteries and other solutions to fulfill the demand.