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Europe is locking itself in to US LNG

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jsnider3 ◴[] No.45262472[source]
Renewables solves this.
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probablypower ◴[] No.45262574[source]
This is confidently incorrect.

Gas power generation is a necessary evil to balance out the variability of intermittent energy generation (i.e. wind and solar).

Hydropower isn't a feasible alternative because the easy resources have been developed.

The only alternative source of flexibility available today is demand side response.

Edit: I appreciate the down votes, as I've not explained in detail. It is a complex issue. My opinions are based on having a phd in the topic, 10+ years in control rooms, years of market operations and design, and years contributing to europe-wide risk assessment methodologies.

I emplore anyone who is actually interested in how energy mix actually impacts grid stability/reliability to look into the Eirgrid DS3 programme (https://www.eirgrid.ie/ds3-programme-delivering-secure-susta...).

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lukan ◴[] No.45262624[source]
What about large quanzities of batteries everywhere around europe?

If prices continue to drop, there will be a powerwall alike in every second house in some years.

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1. phil21 ◴[] No.45268397[source]
Residential energy use is the least interesting thing to think about at a grid scale. The grid actually will get more brittle and/or expensive if everyone wealthy enough to get batteries and solar gets them.

What about the manufacturing and industrial uses? Or the need for natural gas to be a feedstock?

How many batteries does it take to power a giant hyperscaler datacenter for a few days during poor weather conditions? You can’t really rely on backup generators at that usage rate as the expense (and environmental impact) gets to be crazy. Or you end up just building natural gas turbines co-located with such facilities and we are back to where we began.

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2. 8note ◴[] No.45268560[source]
this is to say, that natural gas isnt the necessary evil to account for intermittent power sources.

its a necessary evil to fully capitalize on other investments. i dont care if the hyperscaler can run their GPUs overnight. perfectly happy for them to delay their training because theyre running in daytime.

the capital owners who bought the GPUs sure care, but why should i accept their pollution in order for them to run a bit faster?

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3. phil21 ◴[] No.45272629[source]
This is just another way to say you are in favor of western hemisphere degrowth.

Without industry you don’t have an economy in the long run. Replace hyperscaler with aluminum smelter or manufacturing line if you prefer. If you can’t operate those capital assets 24x7 they simply will not be built in your country.

Cheap, plentiful, and reliable energy is the foundation of wealth. Nuclear fission was likely humanities transition technology but we fumbled the ball 40 years ago so here we are.