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potato3732842 ◴[] No.45261613[source]
The part that should really enrage you is the way people will selectively understand this based on whether they agree or disagree with the context.

If some electronics repair guy repairing vehicle ECUs in bulk who doesn't ask questions but has an inkling that they're gonna get used for emissions laws violations got rolled up on by the feds for refusing to go out of his way to help them out HN would find all sorts of ways to cheer and justify it.

But when they do it to a tor node it's bad.

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ToucanLoucan ◴[] No.45261696[source]
As someone who works in this industry: we do ECU modification and repair and as such, have regular contact with the EPA. Our products all align with all required emissions regulation and testing, which is why we're allowed to continue selling them. If the EPA says jump, we ask how high.

I say this because this cultural vibe of government agencies kicking in your door for doing innocuous shit needs to die already, that is simply not how this happens. We get letters, we get calls, VERY occasionally we get visits and said visits are scheduled weeks, sometimes months in advance. We always cooperate and the relationship, therefore, is not adversarial.

Honestly we have way more fucking problems with huckster vendors trying to fuck us out of a few extra dollars on parts than anything to do with the big scary government.

While we're at it, fuck coal rollers with a cactus.

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potato3732842 ◴[] No.45262069{3}[source]
You, you are an instance of the problem.

For any given issue, subject, industry or niche there is always a you. And you are the enablers. Multiply by every equivalent idiot and niche and that's how you get the world in which some guy gets whacked for running a tor node.

If not that it would be some other niche, maybe some guy importing gray market power equipment to the chagrin of the branded dealers would be getting whacked. If not that then it's the amish farmers getting whacked over one of their many "in letter but not spirit" compliance measures.

Yeah, in every case the letters of the law are broad enough to nail these sorts of people but that's not an outcome the general public wants except for the occasional zealot on any given subject. And the equivalent enablers would be endorsing it just as you are now.

And at the end of the day your behavior (you plural) undermines the legitimacy of these institutions and the government they serve because these are outcomes that nobody wants, but single industry enforcement enough of a back burner issue that elections mostly don't get won and lost over them so the fire just keeps smoldering year after year (fed by our tax dollars, of course).

>As someone who works in this industry

Perfect illustrative example for one of HN's favorite quotes:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it"

>Our products all align with all required emissions regulation...the relationship, therefore, is not adversarial.

You might as well compare a medium company with an encrypted file share service to some 1-man package maintainer for software that does the same. Who is law enforcement gonna try and abuse?

>While we're at it, fuck coal rollers with a cactus.

A bunch of reactionary yokels are a symptom of the degree to which your ilk has undermined the legitimacy of the laws they violate and enforcement agencies they thumb their nose at, not the root cause. If society solves people like you the yokels will mostly go away on their own. That is what I seek.

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1. Chris2048 ◴[] No.45263801{4}[source]
> gets whacked for running a tor node.

'whacked' usually means killed. This guy was neither killed, nor jailed for 'running a tor node', but a bunch of more specifically bad, illegal shit that it would be misleading to describe this way.

The same way as describing destroying a bunch of an ex-employers data on-site causing thousands in loss is not a "workplace dispute".

> these are outcomes that nobody wants

which outcomes? these are outcomes no-one wants, but you've yet to prove they happen. It takes a lot of time to properly go through case details to determine abuse, it seems like you are very casually throwing around accusations.

> You might as well compare...

Why? they comply with the law, why does that make them 'big'? I'm sure the FBI has plenty resources to go after them, in fact, they have more to lose.

The 'one man shop' needs to comply with the law, however big or small they are.

> Who is law enforcement gonna try and abuse?

abuse? this guy says no-onw is kicking his door down, have you proof it changes for smaller setups?

they go after whoever they think is breaking the law, and not complying (providing relevant licences, proof of testing) flags you for that. Are you suggesting the small guy should fly under the radar?