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Man jailed for parole violations after refusing to decrypt his Tor node

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988 points heavyset_go | 7 comments | 16 Sep 25 12:10 UTC | HN request time: 2.482s | source | bottom
1. unethical_ban ◴[16 Sep 25 12:51 UTC] No.45261549[source]▶
3 years of pretrial detention for anything less than blowing up a building should be enough to enrage anyone. Even then, the legal system would be a failure.

How is 3 years pretrial not blatantly unconstitutional and thrown out immediately?

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2. baggachipz ◴[16 Sep 25 13:01 UTC] No.45261655[source]▶
Ah, you must be new here. All kidding aside, the "Global War on Terror" was the impetus for all of the surveillance and associated persecution of innocents without due process. Always disappointed, never surprised.
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3. 77pt77 ◴[16 Sep 25 13:03 UTC] No.45261687[source]▶
You've had people in jail for over a decade at the judge's discretion because the judge didn't believe them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Beatty_Chadwick

And this in a civil matter!

4. praptak ◴[16 Sep 25 13:28 UTC] No.45261974[source]▶
And the Global War on Terror wasn't even the first American War on Due Process. Remember the War on Drugs? It is mostly forgotten but the civil forfeiture remains as its legacy.
5. pjc50 ◴[16 Sep 25 14:02 UTC] No.45262405[source]▶
https://www.crimlawpractitioner.org/post/some-things-cannot-...

New Yorkers spend an average of 10 months in pretrial detention. This kind of abuse is routine in the American system, and by and large Americans want it that way for their usual reasons about "crime".

6. qingcharles ◴[16 Sep 25 16:18 UTC] No.45264297[source]▶
I've known dozens of people in pretrial for a decade or more, it's not uncommon. Some are acquitted, most plead out or are found guilty of something at trial.

Under US law, pretrial detention is not prison. You are technically not being "punished" even though generally the conditions in pretrial are vastly worse than in prisons. (I did a deposition with a jail warden once and asked him why this was: "Because these facilities are designed for the average stay, which is 30 days if you run the numbers. Sure there are people here for a decade, but most people pay their bail within 24 hours.")

Technically most states have pretty short Speedy Trial statutes which require the gov to try you within several months of arrest. This almost universally doesn't happen because the defendants don't have all the information necessary for their defense, and because they want to run motions to try and quash any existing evidence.

7. unethical_ban ◴[16 Sep 25 20:34 UTC] No.45267622[source]▶
I thought I knew many of the injustices of our system, but I thought that kind of extreme length is for people like KSM who crafted 9/11.

Some BS CFAA charge for not helping decrypt a Tor session? Fucking evil.