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Luker88 ◴[] No.45230034[source]
I am not sure people understand the implications of this.

First, it's not just nuclear, it's also Natural gas.

Second, lots of nations have incentives for "clean" energy. And now magically, all those incentives apply to nuclear and gas.

It's a money grab from nuclear and gas manufacturers. It's not that the courts were involved for nothing.

Still, we should use more nuclear. If only it was less expensive to build...

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m101 ◴[] No.45230176[source]
Nuclear + gas is the climate friendly solution.
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grafmax ◴[] No.45230789[source]
Gas isn’t climate friendly just because of its debatable attractiveness vs coal. And nuclear comes with catastrophic risks that require large costs to mitigate. Let’s not pretend it’s some panacea. Renewables are better than both.
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mpweiher ◴[] No.45230801[source]
Fun fact: The US achieved more for the climate with fracking gas than Germany did with its "Energiewende".
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kla-s ◴[] No.45230940[source]
Do you care to explain more, id be interested :)
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mpweiher ◴[] No.45231025[source]
In 2005, both the US and Germany had specific emissions of around 600g CO₂/kWh.

In 2015, due mostly to fracking gas, the US was down to around 450g CO₂/kWh.

Germany, with its Energiewende, was at around 560g CO₂/kWh.

Because, of course, the Energiewende was not about climate change. It was about shutting down climate-friendly (CO₂ free) nuclear plants.

Both could have done better. France is currently at something like 32g CO₂/kWh and has been at roughly that level for decades.

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RandomLensman ◴[] No.45231070[source]
Shutting down nuclear was a pretty popular policy. But that aside, what the Energiewende was not about was removing obstacles to building out energy infrastructure rapidly (e.g., the delay on the north-south connections).
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gf000 ◴[] No.45231078[source]
Well, populism is no good reason to do something dumb. Maybe laymen should not directly have a say over experts in deeply technical discussions.
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RandomLensman ◴[] No.45231187[source]
Yes, not supporting energy infrastructure construction better was a mistake.

Removing what would be nasty targets in a war perhaps in the current light not so much.

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mpweiher ◴[] No.45231859[source]
No shutting down cheap, reliable, CO₂ free and already paid for energy infrastructure was.

That's about as idiotic as you can get.

And simply by not destroying this already existing infrastructure you wouldn't even have needed north-south links.

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RandomLensman ◴[] No.45231887{7}[source]
End of live would have come sooner or later anyway.

But why take the risk of fission reactors becoming targets in a war?

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pqtyw ◴[] No.45232416{8}[source]
Because presumably France for instance would likely view someone blowing up one of their plants the same way as a nuclear attack. Given their nuclear deterrence policies that would end up badly for both sides
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natmaka ◴[] No.45233296{9}[source]
A nuclear plant may be hit by despair, even if it isn't the target, and in any case finding who hit it may be difficult. Right now in Ukraine...
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mpweiher ◴[] No.45233444{10}[source]
Right now in Ukraine, the nuclear plants are what's keeping the grid alive.

They are extremely tough targets, and fairly easy to defend.

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1. natmaka ◴[] No.45233839{11}[source]
It is not about blackouts but about the risk induced by a nuclear plant in a warzone.

That's what International Atomic Energy Agency's (UN agency in charge of civilian nuclear) boss said about it: "Director General Grossi reiterated his deep concern about the apparent increased use of drones near nuclear power plants since early this year, saying such weaponry posed a clear risk to nuclear safety and security"

"any military attack on a nuclear site – with or without drones – jeopardizes nuclear safety and must stop immediately"

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-303-iae...

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2. mpweiher ◴[] No.45234764[source]
> It is not about blackouts but about the risk induced by a nuclear plant in a warzone.

What concrete risks are those?

And of course the IEAE is concerned about nuclear safety. That's their job.

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3. natmaka ◴[] No.45239628[source]
I'm not an expert not pretend to be one.

IMHO your "They are extremely tough targets, and fairly easy to defend" is quite different from what I quoted.