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Germany is not supporting ChatControl – blocking minority secured

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1120 points xyzal | 3 comments | 11 Sep 25 08:59 UTC | HN request time: 0.448s | source
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ManBeardPc ◴[11 Sep 25 09:27 UTC] No.45209514[source]▶
Glad we could delay it for now. It will come back again and again with that high of support though. Also the German Bundestag is already discussing a compromise: https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/kurzmeldungen-1108356. They are only unhappy with certain points like breaking encryption. They still want to destroy privacy and cut back our rights in the name of "safety", just a little less.
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uyzstvqs ◴[11 Sep 25 09:55 UTC] No.45209691[source]▶
The bigger issue is that we need to make the EU actually democratic. Start by removing every branch but the European Parliament. That's the only solution.
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1. izacus ◴[11 Sep 25 12:16 UTC] No.45210659[source]▶
Funny how we never hear WHY EU is undemocratic in these posts. It's always this one line dropped in the middle of conversations.

And every time I push a bit the answer seems to be "EU didn't follow my preferred decision". :P

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2. raxxorraxor ◴[11 Sep 25 12:32 UTC] No.45210798[source]▶
No, for a time any criticism about EU democracy was brushed away. Especially at the time around Brexit. For obvious reasons. But they are undeniable in theoretical and practical terms. This is why the competence of the EU was restricted at first. Problem is that this restriction did get too loose.

Chat control should even be an EU issue. And few national states would be courageous enough to propose such legislation because the democratic accountability would be much stronger.

3. pcrh ◴[11 Sep 25 16:22 UTC] No.45213394[source]▶
>WHY EU is undemocratic

The answer is simple. The EU institutions cannot be both directly elected and have executive authority over member states.

The reason is that by doing so one would create a conflict between the "democratic legitimacy" of the EU executive and the "democratic legitimacy" of national parliaments.

In the current model, the member states retain ultimate authority and democratic legitimacy through their delegates to the Council of Ministers.