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I still love PHP and JavaScript (2022)

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123 points jonfelsar | 2 comments | 09 Sep 25 20:09 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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ksenzee ◴[09 Sep 25 20:29 UTC] No.45188438[source]▶
This is a preemptive plea for people who last wrote PHP in 2012 not to opine on what writing PHP is like in 2025. It is not a hammer with two claws. It’s a modern language with types and tooling and package management.
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1. wink ◴[10 Sep 25 13:39 UTC] No.45197489[source]▶
I get your point but I disagree with your timeline. 2012 was already past 5.3 which was a long-lived version with most of the quirks of early 5 fixed.

There was a lot of what people call modern PHP, basically just without the types. I'd say the PHP 4 days are the darker ages that most people reference, but maybe your experience in 2012 was like 2007ish. (TLDR: If you found it fine in 2012 it's probably still fine in 2025, but I don't see the huge wins. I stopped using it for reasons other than "dislike").

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2. ksenzee ◴[10 Sep 25 15:22 UTC] No.45199077[source]▶
I picked 2012 because that’s when the claw hammer discourse was happening, but I agree with you. You could write pretty nice-looking PHP by 2012, and a lot of people did. The claw hammer thing was itself looking back at PHP from several years before.