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Memory Integrity Enforcement

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bergfest ◴[] No.45189065[source]
With EU chat control, the state will be on my device, having access to everything they want, decide what I can and cannot do. Once Google forces WEI on us, the whole web will get locked down. And secure boot and now MIE will make sure we can never take back our freedom.
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aloha2436 ◴[] No.45191453[source]
> MIE will make sure we can never take back our freedom.

Is the implication here that making phones more secure is... bad? Because it makes jailbreaks harder to develop?

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1. kevincox ◴[] No.45196022[source]
Yeah, this is weird logic to me. If you want control of your computing don't buy Apple hardware and hope to find an exploit. But hardware that supports running your own software without fighting you.
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2. dns_snek ◴[] No.45196443[source]
> Buy hardware that supports running your own software without fighting you.

It will be very hard to buy something that won't exist in the near future. This rhetoric should've died a decade ago.

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3. kevincox ◴[] No.45196467[source]
Maybe, but it exists now. Maybe if more people demanded this hardware then it would be more popular and not at risk of extinction. I don't know what rhetoric you are taking about? Recommending buying stuff that supports your wishes seems like pretty reasonable advice.
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4. dns_snek ◴[] No.45197874{3}[source]
> I don't know what rhetoric you are taking about.

The rhetoric of blaming consumers for buying the wrong product when they complain about hostile features on Apple's side of the duopoly, and then blaming them again when they switch to Android and complain about hostile features on that side.

The rhetoric of blaming the consumers for simply "not demanding" what we want with enough conviction. It's an asinine thing to suggest because freedom to install and customize has been the headline feature of Android since day 1, but they're killing it anyway because the duopoly doesn't give a shit about what we want. They know that they can make more money and they know that we don't have a choice.

> Recommending buying stuff that supports your wishes seems like pretty reasonable advice.

No, not when the market is a well-known abusive duopoly. That's either ignorant of the reality or just gaslighting.

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5. kevincox ◴[] No.45197998{4}[source]
Fair point. I think in general it is important to remember that. There are negatives to each corner of the market so a consumer can't make a perfect choice.

But in this specific case I think it does still seem strange to raise a concern that one of the most notorious locked down vendors is shipping a security improvement because it also makes it harder to get full device access.

Maybe a better way of phrasing my point is that the problem isn't that these devices are secure, that is a good feature. The problem is that Apple doesn't let you control the device. I would focus my complaints on the latter, not complain about every security improvement because it also happens to contribute to the real problem.

6. orbital-decay ◴[] No.45198413{3}[source]
Voting with your wallet doesn't work when the overwhelming majority does want to be locked up.
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7. johnisgood ◴[] No.45199283{4}[source]
Maybe it is not that they want to be locked up, but they are clueless / don't care. It sucks when the reason for why we can't have nice things is... the majority of people, doesn't it? In politics they would just say democracy at work, and believe me, people are just as clueless about that as they are with technology / privacy / security.