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NPM debug and chalk packages compromised

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1369 points universesquid | 1 comments | 08 Sep 25 15:37 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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nromiun ◴[08 Sep 25 16:19 UTC] No.45170180[source]▶
I have nothing to do with this but still I am getting second hand embarrassment. Here is an example, is-arrayish package, 73.8 MILLION downloads per week. The code? 3 lines to check if an object can be used like an array.

I am sorry, but this is not due to not having a good standard library, this is just bad programming. Just pure laziness. At this point just blacklist every package starting with is-.

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junon ◴[08 Sep 25 22:44 UTC] No.45175092[source]▶
I wrote it 10 years ago, I think before Node was v1, and forgot about it for a long time. This was back before we had spreads, classes, typescript, and had to use DOM arrays and other weird structures, and where `arguments` wasn't an array but an object.

    > (function() { return Array.isArray(arguments); })()
    false
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discomrobertul8 ◴[09 Sep 25 08:15 UTC] No.45179044[source]▶
Do you think it might be time to deprecate and then retire this package, given that the ecosystem has evolved? Sure, it'll mean downstream packages will need to update their reliance on `is-arrayish` and use some other means suited to their task, but perhaps that's positive design pressure?
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1. junon ◴[09 Sep 25 18:14 UTC] No.45186056{3}[source]▶
Even if I sunset those packages, they'd still be downloaded and used in perpetuity, and certainly for many years afterward, even by popular packages, and even by such packages that have removed them in newer versions. Even if I had done this five years ago, I'd wager the scope of this attack would have been similar in size - maybe a billion less, but that's still a billion with a B, at which point I really wonder if it would have mattered as much.

I agree that `is-arrayish` is silly, but that's not really the problem that needs fixing, in my opinion. There's a general, cross-language package management culture that has permeated over the last 10-15 years that is susceptible to this exact problem. It's TOTP today (in my case), something else tomorrow, and it can come to a Package Manager Near You at any time - npm is just a ripe target because of how much it's used, and how concentrated the download counts are for some of its larger packages, especially given how CI has started to operate (re-downloading everything etc).

That's just my $0.02 on it though.