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perihelions ◴[] No.45167153[source]
Hard-earned freedoms are wasted on societies who don't have memories of what it took to earn them. Freedom is a ratchet: slides easily and frictionlessly one way, and offers immense resistance in the other.

This is all so disheartening.

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cedws ◴[] No.45167299[source]
I’m not aware of a single nation where the ratchet is loosening. It appears freedom is being eroded everywhere. The most disheartening thing is that nothing works to stop it. There are countries where millions of people have protested, but in time the protests always fizzle or are stamped out, and things continue on the same trajectory.
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pjmlp ◴[] No.45167497[source]
As first generation out of Salazar's dictorship, our country now having a right majority with a Nazi party in the mix, makes me really sad.

How short the memory of folks can be, especially with my parents and grand parents generations still around, but apparently their memories and experiences now fall into death hears.

Maybe when they start getting visits from the eventually new state protection police, they will understand, then it will be too late.

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1. mrguyorama ◴[] No.45175293{3}[source]
>How short the memory of folks can be, especially with my parents and grand parents generations still around

A good thing to remember is that shitloads of people didn't learn from those kinds of events.

The young adults who threw rocks at black girls going to white schools in the southern USA are still alive and still voting and still hold a grudge.

Look when the civil rights act passed, and look how hard the south went republican after that.

>Maybe when they start getting visits from the eventually new state protection police, they will understand, then it will be too late.

A lot of genuine Nazi believers went to "political" camps during the Nazi regime and they did not change their tune. They eventually got out, and just kept being Nazis, because they were Nazis because they genuinely believe the ideology. People who were literally sidelined by stupid Nazis infighting continued to advance the goals of the Nazis regime. Getting targeted and harmed by their very own regime did not change their opinion of it.

The same happened in Soviet Russia to all sorts of genuine communists who got gulag'd anyway, and still strongly held communist (stalinist even) beliefs (if they survived)

Tribalism is one of the strongest buttons humans have. We should be less surprised that it works so effectively