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1. drnick1 ◴[] No.45172646[source]
Are backups really necessary? I have always regarded texts (over Signal or SMS) as ephemeral. No one is or should be sending valuable information over Signal, and if you happen to receive something you want to keep, you can always do so manually.
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2. mimischi ◴[] No.45172771[source]
Why do you think our should not? Sincerely asking.

And while I’m here, if you’re implying that Signal is Blut trustworthy, you should step out of the HN bubble and have a look around what everyone and their dog shares through less secure means

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3. 3form ◴[] No.45172806[source]
For many people the messages are meaningful long term (including myself), and I consider ability to preserve your personal data as a base electronic right.
4. rlpb ◴[] No.45172811[source]
How should users send valuable information then, if they require E2E encryption?
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5. drnick1 ◴[] No.45172968[source]
I did not mean to say that there are better options for encrypted communication. My point was that my use case is texts like "I'll be in the gym at 6:00 bro", not things that I really want to keep or backup. If someone sends a picture or a file that I want to keep, I can already do so manually.
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6. kelnos ◴[] No.45173091{3}[source]
My use case is everything from yours, up to deep personal conversations, and photos and videos that I'd like not to lose.

I don't feel like backing these up manually; it's a computer, and its job is to do tedious, repetitive, easy-to-forget tasks so I don't have to.

7. GuB-42 ◴[] No.45173276[source]
Why should information on Signal be ephemeral on Signal?

Signal is one of the few "privacy-first" services. But it is not just about privacy, it is also about having as many users as possible, which is actually important for privacy. If only people who really have "something to hide", then just using the app makes you a target. If instead it is used by millions of people for grocery shopping and dinner planning, then whoever really needs the privacy features will not stand out. The third is, of course, making money, because, of course, none of that is free.

That's why features like backups are important. Many people want them, maybe not you, but Signal is not just for you, it also makes money. By the way, that's also the reason why there are some privacy compromises, like contact discovery and the use of phone numbers, because they feel like done right, it is worth it. Note that have partially addressed both of these problems.

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8. john01dav ◴[] No.45174124[source]
I sometimes SCP things directly between me and someone else's home.
9. bsimpson ◴[] No.45175300[source]
My friends and family chats are on Signal because they're seamlessly cross platform. Not feeding Facebook is just a bonus.