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A critique of package managers

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smw ◴[] No.45167873[source]
"When using Go for example, you don’t need any third-party libraries to make a web server, Go has it all there and you are done."

Fine, now what if you need to connect to a database, or parse a PDF, or talk to a grpc backend. What a hilariously short-sighted example.

To me, this whole article just screams inexperience.

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kunley ◴[] No.45167966[source]
Inexperience of an author who develops quite successful programming language for like 10 years? Quite a bold statement.

Actually his perspective is quite reasonable. Go is in the other part of the spectrum than languages encouraging "left-pad"-type of libraries, and this is a good thing.

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tialaramex ◴[] No.45168357[source]
Is it "quite successful"? How would I distinguish such a "quite successful" language from say Hare or V or are these all "successful" in your mind?
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gingerBill ◴[] No.45169557[source]
I know very few people using Hare, especially since it only works on "FOSS platforms". And I will still maintain that V is vapourware. They still have the same false claims on the website that they've had from the beginning for ~6 years.

Odin is "successful enough" so far. Also, you know about it, so that says something.

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1. tialaramex ◴[] No.45171193[source]
I know about Hare and V too, so, then what exactly does it say for me to know about a programming language? Not much.

I have technically written more Odin than Hare (one Godbolt example, arguably two if you count my explaining how to modify the example to illustrate another problem) but that just means I have more justification to say I don't like it.

I've written a lot more Scheme and I had so thoroughly forgotten writing Scheme that I had to go read the source for myself when I got email about it decades later to be sure it wasn't just a coincidence of author names.

I'm not convinced there is space for any of the "C successor" languages in the twenty-first century and in the event space is made or given for one I doubt there'll somehow be room for more. So with today's field I would bet on Zig.

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2. gingerBill ◴[] No.45171442[source]
Odin is not trying to be a "C successor" rather as the website states: "Odin is the C alternative for the Joy of Programming".

And there doesn't have to be "one winner". This isn't Highlander. It is just wonderful that there is now choice in this domain beyond just the old and obvious.