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theptip ◴[] No.45163517[source]
A good case study. I have found these two to be good categories of win:

> Use these tools as a massive force multiplier of your own skills.

Claude definitely makes me more productive in frameworks I know well, where I can scan and pattern-match quickly on the boilerplate parts.

> Use these tools for rapid onboarding onto new frameworks.

I’m also more productive here, this is an enabler to explore new areas, and is also a boon at big tech companies where there are just lots of tech stacks and frameworks in use.

I feel there is an interesting split forming in ability to gauge AI capabilities - it kinda requires you to be on top of a rapidly-changing firehose of techniques and frameworks. If you haven’t spent 100 hours with Claude Code / Claude 4.0 you likely don’t have an accurate picture of its capabilities.

“Enables non-coders to vibe code their way into trouble” might be the median scenario on X, but it’s not so relevant to what expert coders will experience if they put the time in.

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marcus_holmes ◴[] No.45164186[source]
>> Use these tools for rapid onboarding onto new frameworks.

Also new languages - our team uses Ruby, and Ruby is easy to read, so I can skip learning the syntax and get the LLM to write the code. I have to make all the decisions, and guide it, but I don't need to learn Ruby to write acceptable-level code [0]. I get to be immediately productive in an unfamiliar environment, which is great.

[0] acceptable-level as defined by the rest of the team - they're checking my PRs.

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AdieuToLogic ◴[] No.45164437[source]
>>> Use these tools for rapid onboarding onto new frameworks.

> Also new languages - our team uses Ruby, and Ruby is easy to read, so I can skip learning the syntax and get the LLM to write the code.

If Ruby is "easy to read" and assuming you know a similar programming language (such as Perl or Python), how difficult is it to learn Ruby and be able to write the code yourself?

> ... but I don't need to learn Ruby to write acceptable-level code [0].

Since the team you work with uses Ruby, why do you not need to learn it?

> [0] acceptable-level as defined by the rest of the team - they're checking my PRs.

Ah. Now I get it.

Instead of learning the lingua franca and being able to verify your own work, "the rest of the team" has to make sure your PR's will not obviously fail.

Here's a thought - has it crossed your mind that team members needing to determine if your PR's are acceptable is "a bad thing", in that it may indicate a lack of trust of the changes you have been introducing?

Furthermore, does this situation qualify as "immediately productive" for the team or only yourself?

EDIT:

If you are not a software engineer by trade and instead a stakeholder wanting to formally specify desired system changes to the engineering team, an approach to consider is authoring RSpec[0] specs to define feature/integration specifications instead of PR's.

This would enable you to codify functional requirements such that their satisfaction is provable, assist the engineering team's understanding of what must be done in the context of existing behavior, identify conflicting system requirements (if any) before engineering effort is expended, provide a suite of functional regression tests, and serve as executable documentation for team members.

0 - https://rspec.info/features/6-1/rspec-rails/feature-specs/fe...

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maccard ◴[] No.45166293[source]
> Instead of learning the lingua franca and being able to verify your own work, "the rest of the team" has to make sure your PR's will not obviously fail.

I lead the engineering team at my org and we hire almost exclusively for c++ engineers (we make games). Our build system by happenstance is written in c#, as are all the automation scripts. Out of our control to change. Should we require every engineer to be competent and write fluent c# or should we let them just get on with their value adds?

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1. skydhash ◴[] No.45167347{3}[source]
Programming language are not actually that different. There’s only a few models of computation and paradigms. The effort is mostly about learning the syntax, the standard library and whatever abstractions built around the above paradigms and computation models. And learning the standard library is the tough one.

I would expect every engineer to be able to read C#. It’s not that hard.

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2. marcus_holmes ◴[] No.45176878[source]
This. Reading a language (and not only programming languages) is very different from being able to construct good, elegant, routines (or sentences) in that language.