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ajross ◴[] No.45158300[source]
Isn't "freed and flown home" the same thing as "deported"? These were routine professionals doing a job they took in good faith under rules and norms that have held for a century or more.
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rayiner[dead post] ◴[] No.45158392[source]
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dtjb ◴[] No.45158690[source]
Norms and goalposts aside, what’s the value in adopting a formal policy of harassment against non-criminal, non-violent workers?

Congress can debate immigration laws on the books, but this cultural shift seems to be something else entirely. Instead of measured enforcement, it appears to be the normalization of cruelty. We're punishing people who are part of the workforce contributing to our country's economic output.

Seems like the real question is, what do we get out of this? Because it doesn't appear to be aligned with security or prosperity. It's just needless suffering, bureaucracy, and wasted resources.

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rayiner ◴[] No.45158945[source]
> Congress can debate immigration laws on the books, but this cultural shift seems to be something else entirely. Instead of measured enforcement, it appears to be the normalization of cruelty.

That's because Congress has been promising "measured enforcement" for 60 years, but in that time the foreign-born population has ballooned from 4.7% in 1970 to 15.6% in 2024--higher than it ever was in the 20th century. The goal is big, visible enforcement actions that will disincentivize people from immigrating above the limits set forth in the law.

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dtjb ◴[] No.45159029[source]
I fail to see how the percentage of foreign born citizens is a problem in any way.
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dfxm12 ◴[] No.45159350[source]
It's only a problem for white supremacists.
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rayiner ◴[] No.45159366[source]
It's only "white supremacy" if you'd object to, e.g. a majority-Bangladeshi town or neighborhood where people behaved indistinguishably from people in Idaho, Wyoming, or Vermont. But if assimilation was real--if people could be transplanted from one cultural context to another seamlessly--opposition to immigration would be almost non-existent.
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ViewTrick1002 ◴[] No.45162036[source]
It is interesting how far the American Overton window [0] has shifted. With white supremacy now being featured on HN.

I truly never could comprehend how Hitler got to power. Now we’re seeing it in action, and it scares me.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

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rayiner[dead post] ◴[] No.45162452[source]
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ViewTrick1002 ◴[] No.45162590[source]
Thank you for proving my point.
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1. rayiner ◴[] No.45163487[source]
I'm genuinely struggling to understand your point. What do you think "white supremacy" means? I understand it to refer to the belief that white people are genetically superior.
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2. lcnPylGDnU4H9OF ◴[] No.45167831[source]
> genetically superior

Genetically and culturally. Here's the white supremacism in your first comment:

> a majority-Bangladeshi town or neighborhood where people behaved indistinguishably from people in Idaho, Wyoming, or Vermont

Immigrants want to actually keep their culture, and that's okay. They should be allowed to keep their culture, even if it is unfamiliar to white folk in Idaho.