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ajross ◴[] No.45158300[source]
Isn't "freed and flown home" the same thing as "deported"? These were routine professionals doing a job they took in good faith under rules and norms that have held for a century or more.
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gruez ◴[] No.45158358[source]
>Federal and immigration agents arrested 475 people on Thursday — mostly South Korean nationals — while executing a judicial search warrant as part of a criminal investigation into alleged unlawful employment at the facility.

> ...

>South Korea will “push forward measures to review and improve the residency status and visa system for personnel travelling to the United States.”

The implication seems to be that the workers didn't have authorization to work there.

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ajross ◴[] No.45158400[source]
> The implication seems to be that the workers didn't have authorization to work there.

No one ever does, by that standard. In the US, if you're a professional coming in to do some short-term thing, there's no visa process. You just fly in and get the stamp in your passport, which is technically treated as a "waiver of visa". Then you do your job and go home.

Like, have you every flown somewhere to attend a conference and a meeting? Same thing. Where's the "authorization"?

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gruez ◴[] No.45158429[source]
>Like, have you every flown somewhere to attend a conference and a meeting? Same thing. Where's the "authorization"?

Something tells me that working at a factory, even for "training" purposes is very different than attending a conference. Wikipedia confirms this:

>There are restrictions on the type of employment-related activities allowed. Meetings and conferences in relation to the travelers' profession, line of business or employer in their home country are generally acceptable, but most forms of "gainful employment" are not. There are however poorly-classifiable exceptions such as persons performing professional services in the United States for a non-U.S. employer, and persons installing, servicing and repairing commercial or industrial equipment or machinery pursuant to a contract of sale.[26] Performers (such as actors and musicians) who plan on performing live or taping scenes for productions in their country of origin, as well as athletes participating in an athletic event, are likewise not allowed to use the VWP for their respective engagements and are instead required to have an O or P visa prior to arrival. Foreign media representatives and journalists on assignment are required to have a nonimmigrant media (I) visa.[27]

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ghaff ◴[] No.45158608[source]
Even within the US, there's been something of a crackdown on out-of-state work from a tax perspective. Though it has been pretty inconsistent from what I've seen even if companies are starting to use auditors to track via expense reports--though, somewhat weirdly, they don't always follow state laws that are often set up around professional athletes and entertainers. Obviously most people have a right to work out-of-state but they may have to file appropriate tax returns.
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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45158730[source]
> Obviously most people have a right to work out-of-state but they may have to file appropriate tax returns.

Which US resident would not have the right to work wherever they want in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_Unit...

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eesmith ◴[] No.45158974[source]
Working out-of-state is different from freedom of movement.

For example, if you live in New Jersey and work in New York you are obligated to file tax returns to both states.

See also the "Jock tax", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax, "the jock tax is the colloquially named income tax levied against visitors to a city or state who earn money in that jurisdiction".

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45159060[source]
>Working out-of-state is different from freedom of movement.

It is the same in the US. I do not see how having to pay taxes prevents anyone from working in a place.

Tax policy and the legal right to work somewhere are two different things. As far as I know, no non-federal jurisdiction in the US can officially say people of xyz characteristics cannot work here. At least not yet.

Also, the jock tax is just income tax.

The only reason it has a name is because it is more difficult to audit and prove tax evasion for most other people that work in various locales, but do not pay income tax they are legally required to, whereas the public nature of the work of entertainers and large incomes makes it easy for a government to prove tax was owed. Which the wikipedia link says:

>Since a state cannot afford to track the many individuals who do business on an itinerant basis, the ones targeted are usually high profile and very wealthy, namely professional athletes. Not only are the working schedules of famous sports players public, so are their salaries. The state can compute and collect the amount with very little investment of time and effort.

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eesmith ◴[] No.45160872[source]
Absolutely nothing prevents anyone from working in a place. I don't see anyone in this thread saying otherwise.

ghaff's comment - the one you replied to - included "there's been something of a crackdown on out-of-state work from a tax perspective".

As you correctly point out, that's a different thing than the right to work somewhere.

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45161460{3}[source]
> I don't see anyone in this thread saying otherwise.

ghaff wrote:

> most people have a right to work out-of-state

Which means some people do not. I was interested in who that would be.

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1. ghaff ◴[] No.45161524{4}[source]
There may be state-related licensure requirements. Smaller companies, especially, may not be set up to have the legal provisions in place to handle employees living in all states.

There may be other things but I'm not an employment lawyer. So people can move but they may not continue to be employed across state lines.

Yes, in many cases, people can commute across state lines to do their actual work. But the companies often still need a legal entity in that person's state to pay them. I'll leave aside edge cases related to custodial matters and so forth.