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its-kostya ◴[] No.45152894[source]
Today I discovered that geothermal energy is a thing, cool! An immediate question that comes to mind is how much "energy potential" does the earth store and "how is it generated"? I'd imagine something about gravity or magnetic waves that move the iron* core and stuff. Anyone know some resources I can read more about this?
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giggyhack ◴[] No.45152938[source]
Assuming we can drill deep enough and harness it, the thermal energy in the earth's crust is essentially infinite.
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bbarnett ◴[] No.45152975[source]
People said "the Earth is too big, human activity can't change the climate". Now look at where we are.

I wonder, if we draw enough heat out... would the core cool enough to shrink? And if so, would the crust collapse to the new size?

Pure speculation of course, but did the first guy burning coal know the outcome?

Anyhow, I love geothermal, think you're right, but just got tweaked on the word "infinite".

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thehappypm ◴[] No.45153071[source]
Just some rough physics..

Q = m c ΔT

m = mass of the crust (roughly 10^22 kg)

C = specific heat of crust (roughly 1000 J/kg·K)

ΔT = 1 K

Q = 10^25 joules would be needed to lower the earths crust by 1 degree K

About 10,000 years worth of today’s human energy consumption

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conditionnumber ◴[] No.45153242[source]
I wonder how much ΔT you need at the crust to meaningfully change Earth's magnetic field by altering convection patterns in the outer core. I don't know enough physics to attempt an answer.
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lazide ◴[] No.45154330{3}[source]
The outer core is 2,890 KM (~ 1800 miles) below the earths crust, and has the mantle in the way. The crust itself is only 30KM thick. [https://phys.org/news/2017-02-journey-center-earth.html] The crust is basically a thin layer of slag on top of a giant ball of molten everything.

Even at million+ year timescales, I can’t see any way the temperature of the upper crust could matter to the core at all - even if the crust was at absolute zero.

Dirt insulates relatively well, and the amount of thermal mass present is mindboggling.

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thehappypm ◴[] No.45154588{4}[source]
if you lived in the Earth’s core (~6000k) the surface (~300k) would be a rounding error above absolute zero anyway
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1. conditionnumber ◴[] No.45159629{5}[source]
> would be a rounding error above absolute zero anyway

Kind of joking: unless there are nonlinear effects near 300K? Fig 4 [1] seems to suggest that the thermal diffusivity of the mantle grows very fast as temperature declines past 300K... but the data stop at 200K.

Reason for initial comment: we could probably set up a spherical heat equation to guess how crust cooling would change heat conduction at the outer core. But I have absolutely no idea how to reason about changes in heat conduction affecting the convection dynamics that generate the field. I was silently hoping for one of the domain experts lurking this forum to see it and share wisdom. (But overall it was a silly question, I know).

[1] https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/200...