←back to thread

103 points MilnerRoute | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.359s | source
Show context
ajross ◴[] No.45158300[source]
Isn't "freed and flown home" the same thing as "deported"? These were routine professionals doing a job they took in good faith under rules and norms that have held for a century or more.
replies(11): >>45158336 #>>45158342 #>>45158358 #>>45158364 #>>45158392 #>>45158408 #>>45158511 #>>45158631 #>>45158787 #>>45158848 #>>45159031 #
joezydeco ◴[] No.45158364[source]
The one detail I can't seem to find anywhere was what type of visa these SK nationals used to enter the US, and if they overstayed.

This isn't exactly new territory. A lot of countries are very careful to avoid letting you in on a tourist visa if you give off the appearance of entering to work.

replies(4): >>45158409 #>>45158424 #>>45158562 #>>45158895 #
fsckboy ◴[] No.45158562[source]
some had no visas, some had tourist visas, some had expired visas
replies(1): >>45158703 #
firesteelrain ◴[] No.45158703[source]
Well this extra context makes what ICE did totally understandable. I would expect any country to do the same.
replies(1): >>45158966 #
VBprogrammer ◴[] No.45158966[source]
The crackdown is certainly being done for the wrong reasons but it does seem strange to me just how much of the US is built around the idea of a second class of citizens who don't have documentation. It seems like a significant portion of farmworkers, construction, hospitality and childcare are routinely done by people who aren't legally in the country.

I'm sure there is more of this than in Europe than I'm aware of (food delivery is one example we're recently had a lot of focus on in the UK) but it's certainly not at the point that it's routine and expected.

How does this work? Are these people somehow paying taxes regardless of their immigration status?

replies(3): >>45159121 #>>45159130 #>>45159193 #
1. toast0 ◴[] No.45159193[source]
> How does this work? Are these people somehow paying taxes regardless of their immigration status?

Some jobs are cash jobs, the employer doesn't report the income and the employee likely doesn't either, this isn't legal for the employer or the employee, but enforcement is uneven.

For jobs with proper payroll, income reporting and employment tax withholding, it's common to 'borrow' someone else's tax id. That's not legal either of course, although the employer may be ok if they were reasonably unaware of the borrowing. If the borrowed tax id is only used for work by one person, and the withholding is close to correct (or a tax return is filed for that tax id), then taxes are being paid properly, even if they're attributed incorrectly. If the tax id is used by multiple people, then the combined income might be subject to a larger tax than if earned by multiple tax ids, and withholding is likely to be iffy (withholding tables are built around a single job).

I think I've heard of ways for someone without work authorization to get their own tax idea so they can have make properly attributed tax payments, but I don't remember the details.