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ajross ◴[] No.45158300[source]
Isn't "freed and flown home" the same thing as "deported"? These were routine professionals doing a job they took in good faith under rules and norms that have held for a century or more.
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gruez ◴[] No.45158358[source]
>Federal and immigration agents arrested 475 people on Thursday — mostly South Korean nationals — while executing a judicial search warrant as part of a criminal investigation into alleged unlawful employment at the facility.

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>South Korea will “push forward measures to review and improve the residency status and visa system for personnel travelling to the United States.”

The implication seems to be that the workers didn't have authorization to work there.

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ajross ◴[] No.45158400[source]
> The implication seems to be that the workers didn't have authorization to work there.

No one ever does, by that standard. In the US, if you're a professional coming in to do some short-term thing, there's no visa process. You just fly in and get the stamp in your passport, which is technically treated as a "waiver of visa". Then you do your job and go home.

Like, have you every flown somewhere to attend a conference and a meeting? Same thing. Where's the "authorization"?

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gruez ◴[] No.45158429[source]
>Like, have you every flown somewhere to attend a conference and a meeting? Same thing. Where's the "authorization"?

Something tells me that working at a factory, even for "training" purposes is very different than attending a conference. Wikipedia confirms this:

>There are restrictions on the type of employment-related activities allowed. Meetings and conferences in relation to the travelers' profession, line of business or employer in their home country are generally acceptable, but most forms of "gainful employment" are not. There are however poorly-classifiable exceptions such as persons performing professional services in the United States for a non-U.S. employer, and persons installing, servicing and repairing commercial or industrial equipment or machinery pursuant to a contract of sale.[26] Performers (such as actors and musicians) who plan on performing live or taping scenes for productions in their country of origin, as well as athletes participating in an athletic event, are likewise not allowed to use the VWP for their respective engagements and are instead required to have an O or P visa prior to arrival. Foreign media representatives and journalists on assignment are required to have a nonimmigrant media (I) visa.[27]

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Schnitz ◴[] No.45158530[source]
Technically almost every white collar business traveler is working in the US illegally if you strictly apply the letter of the law. Let’s say you come here for two days of meetings and you are coding or doing some analysis on the third day before you fly home. You’ve now violated your business visa. The Trump administration can start enforcing the law like that and we’ll be even more screwed, because absolutely no non-US company will build anything if business travel to help spin up the office or plant is practically impossible.
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1. BurningFrog ◴[] No.45158837{3}[source]
Unless you're being paid a US wage by a US company this is practically impossible to discover, other than by raiding the office/factory like they did at Hyundai.
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2. Schnitz ◴[] No.45163079[source]
Technically they can raid any big tech company and I’m sure they’ll find some business travelers that are working between meetings.