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1. vjvjvjvjghv ◴[] No.45152772[source]
Is there any hope to clean up the US health system in any foreseeable future? How did the health lobby get so much power and get away with all this abuse?
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2. bobthepanda ◴[] No.45153034[source]
there's a bunch of problems with the setup but a major one is that employer health plans are tax deductible. employees don't really get market choice, and employers really only care about reducing their own expense in regards to healthcare. ending this would be very expensive and disruptive for both employer and employee in the short term, and people have a strong preference for the devil they know vs. the devil they don't (either a public option or fully market-based healthcare)

it's worth noting that the healthcare system has a couple of antagonistic components and right now probably insurers are the only group actually fully happy with the situation. medical providers, pharmacists, and patients are all getting shafted.

3. jmcgough ◴[] No.45153122[source]
There's a lot of problems you can point at:

- Through extensive lobbying, the US passed the HMO act of 1973 which requires that all employers offer an HMO plan to employees. HMOs were created to keep costs down, but United really took this to the extreme, making it as hard to use your health insurance as possible, and creating vertical monopolies like OptumRX. United takes so long to pay providers for the work they do that they now offer payday loans to doctors offices, which is crazy.

- The US uses a fee-per-service model that priorities procedures over preventative treatment or patient education. Some other countries have moved towards reimbursement based on health outcomes.

- The Affordable Care Act banned physician owned hospitals, which were growing in popularity and had better outcomes for less fees to patients.

- Private Equity is swallowing up hospital systems, emergency departments, etc. The most common seller is another PE firm, so they try to make a quick return through heavy cuts and then flip it 5 years later.

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4. lostdog ◴[] No.45153313[source]
I'm not sure if there's any hope of US healthcare improving for a long while. The ACA was the only recent improvement. It was a small change, but the electorate decided that it was bad, pushed its supporters out of office, and elected a series of people who promised to "repeal and replace" it, but weren't really serious about any improvement. And then when the "repeal and replace" crowd failed, they were not held accountable, but reelected anyways.

There also isn't much interest in improving healthcare from either side right now. The right has nothing. Their current platform is ignorant views about vaccines. The left has a stronger interest in Palestine and housing abundance right now, though all of that is dwarfed by trying to keep the rule of law going, and preventing us from falling out of a democracy. Healthcare is way way down the list for everyone sadly--even Bernie doesn't talk about it much anymore. The electorate has spoken, and they are not interested.

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5. FireBeyond ◴[] No.45153437[source]
> and creating vertical monopolies like OptumRX

Aetna "forces" you into using its pharmacy by refusing to authorize any prescription with more than a 30-day supply unless through its wholly-owned pharmacy-by-mail subsidiary.

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6. kstrauser ◴[] No.45153474{3}[source]
I’d much rather go to the pharmacy once a month with Aetna than with UHC, because at least Aetna actually pays for things. They’re both awful in their own ways; don’t read that as me endorsing Aetna.
7. vjvjvjvjghv ◴[] No.45154324[source]
"vertical monopolies like OptumRX"

This should be illegal. I have read that UNH also owns around 10% of providers so they own the whole chain.

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8. vjvjvjvjghv ◴[] No.45154327[source]
Very true. Trans athletes in women's sports are way more important than affordable healthcare.
9. jmcgough ◴[] No.45171929{3}[source]
Yes, they are even buying up therapy clinics.