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roenxi[dead post] ◴[] No.45147470[source]
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delusional ◴[] No.45147613[source]
You worldview is incredibly foreign to me, but I'll try to engage fairly with it.

> the US right wing looked like it was about to build a complete alternative internet for a while there

This would seem to imply that the established internet, what we had before this relenting, was somehow left wing. Is that an accurate description of your view? When did this relenting take place?

> they just partially marginalised when the censorship backed off.

Is it your position that Truth Social (the social network started by the current president of the united states) is currently a marginalized space?

> That isn't how feudal revolts work in my understanding; typically peasants just got squished by better armed, armoured and organised soldier classes.

I think it's interesting that you posit this as a fight between the "peasants" and the "soliders". I'm assuming, to make sense of your analogy, that the "peasants" in this case is the current president of the united states and Elon Musk. the "soliders" would then be "Jeff Bezos" and "Sundar Pichai"

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roenxi ◴[] No.45148011[source]
> This would seem to imply that the established internet, what we had before this relenting, was somehow left wing. Is that an accurate description of your view? When did this relenting take place?

No, the left wing wasn't really involved. It looked from the outside like a pocket of authoritarians settled in the US intelligence services. Given the priorities of the Trump establishment on starting Term 2 when they moved very quickly to gut the US propaganda services I think Trump's people came to a similar view. And the relenting came when it was obvious that the companies involved were going to start suffering commercial consequences. Or, in cases like Twitter, got bought out by prominent right-wing figures.

> Is it your position that Truth Social (the social network started by the current president of the united states) is currently a marginalized space?

Yeah. It isn't really operating on the same scale as Twitter and it only exists because Twitter felt the obvious way to construe "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th." was as glorification of violence [0]. It's commercial wisdom is unclear.

> I think it's interesting that you posit this as a fight between the "peasants" and the "soliders".

I'm almost positing the opposite, NOT(it is a fight between peasants and soldiers). That is why I think the feudal meme is a mistake - this isn't a situation where the powers that be in the tech world can actually bring consequences down on a class of people. The people have freedom.

[0] It was bizarre. I've kept a copy of Titter's announcement saved to disk as a reminder of how crazy groupthink can get. Anyone willing to state such a stupid theory in public has to believe it.

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conartist6 ◴[] No.45148134[source]
I have 0 trouble understanding why Twitter didn't want to be whipping up fury against democracy using their power to do so. Six days before that ban Trump had definitively crossed the line over to full-blown treason with the Reffensperger call. Two days before the ban he sat quietly, waiting and hoping a mob of his supporters whipped up by his verbal diarrhea would sieze power for him, ending democracy. Make no mistake, Twitter did exactly what they had every legal and moral obligation to do.
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hedora ◴[] No.45149350[source]
I’ll just add that the quote in the comment you replied to was one of the least offensive things Trump said during that incident (if he even tweeted that).

The news ran a video of him inciting a riot, etc, etc.

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1. delusional ◴[] No.45149849{3}[source]
The reason he used that quote is that it was _the_ tweet that caused Twitter to ban him, according to their press release. I agree that it should be viewed in context, and twitter even says as much in that press release, but he didn't cherry pick that quote.