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stego-tech ◴[] No.45149449[source]
These times really do feel like those once-in-a-century redefinitions of work and labor, similar to how we got Child Labor Laws and 40-hour work weeks from the labor movement early last century. Intrinsically, more people are realizing that the former social contract was long ago fed into a shredder, and that the lack of a formal contract will have consequences. Technology broke down the 40-hour work week by enabling more work to be done both outside the office and after traditional working hours, drastically increasing productivity and profit while wages stagnated for decades in the face of skyrocketing costs. Now we’re racing ahead towards a breaking point between Capital cheering shit like 996 and AI job-replacement, while more humans can’t afford rent, or food, let alone education or healthcare on their burrito taxi wages.

Something will eventually have to give, if we aren’t proactive in addressing the crises before us. Last time, it took two World Wars, the military bombing miners, law enforcement assassinating union organizers, and companies stockpiling chemical weapons and machine guns before the political class finally realized things must change or all hell would break loose; I only hope we come to our senses far, far sooner this time around.

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1. ivape ◴[] No.45149819[source]
To educate people you just need the internet (communication infrastructure). We can also house and feed everyone if we wanted to. The concept of work has been overblown to the point where it’s everything. I can’t even say war will solve it because war puts everyone to work, which is no different than the status quo.

Things are not in place for people to spiritually feel what is actually a good life and world.

It may take a generation of people, who think technology and science will allow them to have many lifetimes over and over, to meet their timely end. We will only reevaluate as we see the most well endowed generation (everyone alive today) return to dust in a timely manner, that there was no magical human power that could have saved any of us, and we ought to have just focused on a better world that we’re proud of leaving behind.

Living life like it’s a roguelike with infinite levels makes it the most unfulfilling thing ever. The world our generation will leave behind is our product, and a quality product is everything, so much so that you’d be proud to leave it in someone’s hand at the end (in fact, you’d want to). The women’s movement that left us a type of America with those fixes (labors rights, human rights) was such a thing to leave behind, they should fear nothing in death.

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2. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.45151305[source]
> To educate people you just need the internet (communication infrastructure).

This is laughably reductive. Certainly the Internet can help people get educated and pop some comfort bubbles, but it's not automatic. Many (most?) humans need personal attention from others to learn. Even fewer place a value on what they're taught, much less learning itself. A significant number of people must have supervision and some proding to become functioning, literate, and informed adults.

All that said, I'd agree with most of your other points.

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3. ivape ◴[] No.45158256[source]
Most children are not educated in school anywhere in the world, historically and currently. How do you want to deal with those facts, because I don’t think you can compare great learning instruction to “no education at all”.

I fully stand by that most people are not educated in school.

Another way of putting is, the number TWO is greater than ZERO, but I’d prefer if we not compare ZERO to anything.

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4. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.45158415{3}[source]
> Most children are not educated in school anywhere in the world, historically and currently.

This is quite a bold claim. So I guess girls in Afghanistan are just as educated as those in Norway?

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5. ivape ◴[] No.45171963{4}[source]
I'm talking very macro. Look, you can sit with an LLM today and go through a topic you once were educated on and see just how many gaps it fills in. So you yourself can see just how many holes there were in your own education. What do you think the case is for the average person living in the world? Do you really think they got a chance to clarify and explore their education? It's blatantly obvious that we've been giving people inadequate education for quite some time.