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aeon_ai ◴[] No.45143392[source]
To be very clear on this point - this is not related to model training.

It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, but the pirating of the books is the issue at hand here, and is what Anthropic “whoopsied” into in acquiring the training data.

Buying used copies of books, scanning them, and training on it is fine.

Rainbows End was prescient in many ways.

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mdp2021 ◴[] No.45144037[source]
> Buying used copies of books

It remains deranged.

Everyone has more than a right to freely have read everything is stored in a library.

(Edit: in fact initially I wrote 'is supposed to' in place of 'has more than a right to' - meaning that "knowledge is there, we made it available: you are supposed to access it, with the fullest encouragement").

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triceratops ◴[] No.45145964[source]
Well great so the Internet Archive is off the hook then.

Also, at least so far, we don't call computers "someone".

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1. mdp2021 ◴[] No.45147668[source]
> Archive is off the hook then

Probably so, because with "library" I did not mean the "building". It is the decision of the society to make knowledge available.

> we don't call computers "someone"

We do instead, for this purpose. Why should we not. Anything that can read fits the set.

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Edit: Come up with the arguments, sniper.

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2. mdp2021 ◴[] No.45151348[source]
Moderation,

there is an asimmetry between agreement and disagreement: the latter requires arguments.

"Sneering and leaving" is antisocial, and that is underlying most of downvoting.

Stop this deficient, improductive and disruptive culture.

3. triceratops ◴[] No.45167945[source]
> We do instead, for this purpose

Why just that one purpose? Let's pay them a fair wage, deduct income tax and social security, enforce reasonable working hours and conditions etc.