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aeon_ai ◴[] No.45143392[source]
To be very clear on this point - this is not related to model training.

It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, but the pirating of the books is the issue at hand here, and is what Anthropic “whoopsied” into in acquiring the training data.

Buying used copies of books, scanning them, and training on it is fine.

Rainbows End was prescient in many ways.

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mdp2021 ◴[] No.45144037[source]
> Buying used copies of books

It remains deranged.

Everyone has more than a right to freely have read everything is stored in a library.

(Edit: in fact initially I wrote 'is supposed to' in place of 'has more than a right to' - meaning that "knowledge is there, we made it available: you are supposed to access it, with the fullest encouragement").

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vkou ◴[] No.45145658[source]
> Everyone has more than a right to freely have read everything is stored in a library.

Every human has the right to read those books.

And now, this is obvious, but it seems to be frequently missed - an LLM is not a human, and does not have such rights.

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nl ◴[] No.45145778[source]
By US law, cccording to Author's Guild vs Google[1] on the Google book scanning project, scanning books for indexes is fair use.

Additionally:

> Every human has the right to read those books.

Since when?

I strongly disagree - knowledge should be free.

I don't think the author's arrangement of the words should be free to reproduce (ie, I think some degree of copyright protection is ethical) but if I want to use a tool to help me understand the knowledge in a book then I should be able to.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,....

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vkou ◴[] No.45145933[source]
> Since when?

Since in our legal system, only humans and groups of humans (the corporation is a convenient legal proxy for a group of humans that have entered into an agreement) have rights.

Property doesn't have rights. Land doesn't have rights. Books don't have rights. My computer doesn't have rights. And neither does an LLM.

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1gn15 ◴[] No.45146062[source]
Maybe we should give machines rights, then.
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1. vkou ◴[] No.45146661[source]
Maybe we should. Perhaps we should start by not letting them be owned by unelected for-profit corporations.

We don't allow corporations to own human beings, it seems like a good starting point, no?