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311 points melodyogonna | 6 comments | 05 Sep 25 11:33 UTC | HN request time: 0.706s | source | bottom
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nromiun ◴[05 Sep 25 12:59 UTC] No.45138008[source]▶
Weird that there has been no significant adoption of Mojo. It has been quite some time since it got released and everyone is still using PyTorch. Maybe the license issue is a much bigger deal than people realize.
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pjmlp ◴[05 Sep 25 13:11 UTC] No.45138140[source]▶
I personally think they overshot themselves.

First of all some people really like Julia, regardless of how it gets discussed on HN, its commercial use has been steadily growing, and has GPGPU support.

On the other hand, regardless of the sore state of JIT compilers on CPU side for Python, at least MVidia and Intel are quite serious on Python DSLs for GPGPU programming on CUDA and One API, so one gets close enough to C++ performance while staying in Python.

So Mojo isn't that appealing in the end.

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1. mvieira38 ◴[05 Sep 25 18:21 UTC] No.45141841[source]▶
> First of all some people really like Julia, regardless of how it gets discussed on HN, its commercial use has been steadily growing

Got any sources on that? I've been interested in learning Julia for a while but don't because it feels useless compared to Python, especially now with 3.13

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2. adgjlsfhk1 ◴[05 Sep 25 19:39 UTC] No.45142754[source]▶
what about python 3.13 is significant for you? if it's multithreading you likely should be prepared for disappointment. Free threading is ~30% slower than GIL and the first rule of multi threaded code is to first optimize the hell out of the single threaded version.
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3. wolvesechoes ◴[05 Sep 25 20:18 UTC] No.45143147[source]▶
Probably the same stuff as with 3.12 or 3.11 or 3.10: good docs, huge ecosystem, wide knowledge base, detailed reference.
4. xgdgsc ◴[06 Sep 25 04:06 UTC] No.45146523[source]▶
https://www.reddit.com/r/Julia/comments/1efxp0j/comment/lfob...
5. pjmlp ◴[06 Sep 25 05:24 UTC] No.45146841[source]▶
Of course, because Internet is where we always have to prove ourselves.

https://info.juliahub.com/industries/case-studies-1/author/j...

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6. mvieira38 ◴[08 Sep 25 13:16 UTC] No.45167878[source]▶
I was asking as someone wanting to learn Julia but weighting the industry benefits, not as a devil's advocate