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phkahler ◴[] No.45139746[source]
It'd be pretty cool if busses and trains were local-first.
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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.45139769[source]
If you can't send updated schedules or emergency alerts through the system, I also don't want service started. It doesn't have to be an individualized problem to render local-first useless.

Also, what do you mean by trains being local-first? Trains by definition need to share the same tracks with catastrophic consequences for getting it wrong. You can't figure out if a train is going to possibly be on the same route locally, or if your route has been obstructed. Somebody gets a schoolbus stuck on a crossing, it takes over a mile to stop a train.

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zahlman ◴[] No.45139826[source]
>If you can't send updated schedules or emergency alerts through the system, I also don't want service started.

In the days before systems existed for publishing such schedules and emergency alerts, should public transit service not have been attempted at all?

> Trains by definition need to share the same tracks with catastrophic consequences for getting it wrong.

Just because it uses the same rail gauge as intercity freight doesn't require it to run on the same set of tracks. But if it did, I assume "local-first" entails other traffic just being excluded when an emergency in the local system necessitates it.

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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.45139832[source]
Our modern transit system has no correlation to the complexity of transit service previously. Enjoy fewer schedules, more delays, and higher costs; pick three.

Edit, for the pedantic: There's a huge difference between horizontal complexity (i.e. variety of transit options) and vertical complexity (complexity of a particular option). We have less horizontal complexity than we used to; but vertical complexity of a modern railroad is obscene compared to historical standards.

> But if it did, I assume "local-first" entails other traffic just being excluded when an emergency in the local system necessitates it.

No dice; as consider just 14 hours ago:

https://x.com/SFBARTalert/status/1963772853947355630?ref_src...

How does a local-first train safely operate if it could go through a police zone? You need communication, by definition, not local-first.

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1. MangoToupe ◴[] No.45139853[source]
There's a fourth factor here: labor costs.