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pclmulqdq ◴[] No.45125831[source]
EE encompasses a lot of "engineering that takes hard math" at a professional and research level (similar to "hard CS," just different fields of math), so it is very hard to do as an undergrad, when your background in complex analysis and E&M is weak.

Early classes on circuits in EE will usually take shortcuts using known circuit structures and simplified models. The abstraction underneath the field of analog circuits is extremely leaky, so you often learn to ignore it unless you absolutely need to pay attention.

Hobbyist and undergrad projects thus usually consist of cargo culting combinations of simple circuit building blocks connected to a microcontroller of some kind. A lot of research (not in EE) needs this kind of work, but it's not necessarily glamorous. This is the same as pulling software libraries off the shelf to do software work ("showing my advisor docker"), but the software work gets more credit in modern academia because the skills are rarer and the building blocks are newer.

Plenty of cutting-edge science needs hobbyist-level EE, it's just not work in EE. Actual CS research is largely the same as EE research: very, very heavy on math and very difficult to do without studying a lot. If you compare hard EE research to basic software engineering, it makes sense that you think there's a "wall," but you're ignoring the easy EE and the hard CS.

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1. alnwlsn ◴[] No.45128168[source]
I'm sure part of it is that EE claims probably the widest range out there. You can have kilovolts or microvolts, but mostly the same rules apply. Or you can learn how to power a small sensor for years off one small battery, or how to power a country. I don't know many other disciplines that can lay claim to 10-15 orders of magnitude.

At most levels, software will be in there somewhere, even those fake flickering candle LEDs have RAM, ROM, and a processor these days.

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2. ForHackernews ◴[] No.45128446[source]
I feel like astronomy probably wins, the magnitudes are literally astronomical.

The Perseus Cluster of galaxies is estimated[0] at something like 816,592 light years in diameter, so that's 10^21 meters, and on the other end 2008 TC3[1] is an asteroid 4.1m across.

[0] https://www.universeguide.com/galaxy/perseuscluster

[1] https://thesolarsystem.fandom.com/wiki/2008_TC3