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spicyusername ◴[] No.45114584[source]
I guess we're just going to be in the age of this conversation topic until everyone gets tired of talking about it.

Every one of these discussions boils down to the following:

- LLMs are not good at writing code on their own unless it's extremely simple or boilerplate

- LLMs can be good at helping you debug existing code

- LLMs can be good at brainstorming solutions to new problems

- The code that is written by LLMs always needs to be heavily monitored for correctness, style, and design, and then typically edited down, often to at least half its original size

- LLMs utility is high enough that it is now going to be a standard tool in the toolbox of every software engineer, but it is definitely not replacing anyone at current capability.

- New software engineers are going to suffer the most because they know how to edit the responses the least, but this was true when they wrote their own code with stack overflow.

- At senior level, sometimes using LLMs is going to save you a ton of time and sometimes it's going to waste your time. Net-net, it's probably positive, but there are definitely some horrible days where you spend too long going back and forth, when you should have just tried to solve the problem yourself.

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chamomeal ◴[] No.45115041[source]
Yeah every time I see one of these articles posted on HN I know I'll see a bunch of comments like "well here's how I use claude code: I keep it on a tight leash and have short feedback loops, so that I'm still the driver, and have markdown files that explain the style I'm going for...". Which is fine lol but I'm tired of seeing the exact same conversations.

It's exhausting to hear about AI all the time but it's fun to watch history happen. In a decade we'll look back at all these convos and remember how wild of a time it was to be a programmer.

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1. theshrike79 ◴[] No.45123992[source]
It's fun to see Vibe Coders discover the basics of project management in real time without ever reading a book :)

That's what programming with LLMs is, it's just project management: You split the tasks into manageable chunks (ones that can be completed in a single context window), you need to have good onboarding documentation (CLAUDE.md or the equivalent) and good easy to access documentation (docs/ with markdown files).

Exactly what you use to manage a team of actual human programmers.