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fujigawa ◴[] No.45118394[source]
Commercial VPNs will go down as one of the greatest money-making schemes of the last decade. Outside of a few specific use cases their sales often rely on leveraging non-technical users' fear of what they don't fully understand.

I have non-technical friends and relatives that have fully bought into this and when I asked why they use a VPN I got non-specific answers like "you need it for security", "to prevent identity theft", or my personal favorite: "to protect my bank accounts".

Not a single person has said "I pay to route my traffic through an unknown intermediary to obscure its origin" or "I installed new root certificates to increase my security."

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tomrod ◴[] No.45118443[source]
Commercial VPNs do indeed vaguely promise to protect your data, access, etc.

For those of us that are technical but unschooled, what resources would you recommend we learn from?

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busterarm ◴[] No.45118477[source]
You can operate your own VPN (algovpn, openvpn, etc). There's low utility to doing so, but it's fairly straightforward these days.

Or run Tailscale (and a self-hosted DERP relay).

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jonny_eh ◴[] No.45118837[source]
> You can operate your own VPN

On what infra? Can you trust that one? Doesn't that solution just move the problem down one level?

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5f3cfa1a ◴[] No.45118907[source]
The answer is always "maybe" until you bring your threat model to the table.

I use a VPN to watch IPTV & download torrents without my ISP sending me nasty letters. Mullvad is great for that.

I would trust it in conjunction with Tor to protect me from low-level crimes. I wouldn't run trust either it or Tor, alone or in combination, to run a marketplace the DEA would become interested in.

If your threat model is obscuring your home IP to hide your IP from above board HTTPS sites, a DIY VPN probably is great. If it's to do low level crime, a cheap VPN is probably enough. Anything else, good luck.

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busterarm ◴[] No.45118950[source]
This.

Between the parent and the other one, it's almost like I specifically pointed out the limited utility of this approach and all of the Well Acktshually posters had to spell it out anyway.

I was responding to someone who said they were technical, so it should be assumed they can work this all out for themselves.

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1. tomrod ◴[] No.45119561[source]
You provided some great breadcrumbs. I appreciate your responses.