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bambax ◴[] No.45081136[source]
One answer to this madness is to starve the beast: never buy any music or any content from an established company. Torrent everything. It may not work at all, but at least you can tell yourself you're not helping the bastards.
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rglullis ◴[] No.45081207[source]
Few people are buying anything in this world where streaming is the norm and the labels make money by cutting deals with the distribution platforms.

The solution for me, in this specific case, would be for Beato to act against YouTube and take his channel elsewhere. He has enough followers to be able to start his own Peertube server, find a few sponsors and keep going forever.

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motoxpro ◴[] No.45081459[source]
Neither the GP or this comment are viable in the real world.

Businesses/creators need continued distribution, see Nike as an example of what happens when you "take your audience elsewhere to monetize them better/more."

1. People buy the other option (in Nike's case they kept going to footlocker and buying other shoes rather than only buying Nike DTC, in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover new guitar content)

2. The business can't get new customers because no one is on the new platform (Nike DTC/Peertube)

It's viable for a split second (covid, "stick it to Youtube cause they suck") then people just go back to living their lives.

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AlecSchueler ◴[] No.45081495[source]
> in Beato's case they would continue to go to YouTube to discover new guitar content

He's in a unique market position though because he's got industry respect. Joe Bloggs in his bedroom can't compete with "guitar content" because Dave Gilmore, Pat Matheney and Glynn Johns aren't all going to sit with him for a 2 hour long interview.

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hnlmorg ◴[] No.45081550[source]
The GP is still correct.

People are lazy. If you add even a small complication for people to consume content, then it doesn’t matter how much respect that content creator has, people will just follow someone else instead.

Google knows this; which is why they can screw over content creators on their platform.

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rglullis ◴[] No.45081572[source]
https://grayjay.app/ solves this quite well.
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bonoboTP ◴[] No.45082020[source]
YouTube already was built on the "distributed" premise. That You can "broadcast yourself" as the slogan says, you use the platform to make your own presence, users can subscribe to you specifically and the platform merely connects the audience and the video makers. No longer are you beholden to the old ways of cable TV producer filters and gatekeepers. You just find and manage your own audience and the platform gets out of the way.

So when grayjay says "Follow Creators, Not Platforms" I'm pretty sure that the minute that regular people on the street know about the existence of "grayjay", they will become essentially also a platform that enshittifies in the same way (cf. https://xkcd.com/927/).

It's a common pattern. Be an aggregator first, then slowly introduce exclusives, and become a competitor that climbed up on the backs of the others. Somewhat similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

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rglullis ◴[] No.45082232[source]
GrayJay is just a client for the different platforms, like a regular web browser. They can't put themselves between and the consumer.

> YouTube already was built on the "distributed" premise.

What a load of BS.

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bonoboTP ◴[] No.45082293{3}[source]
> They can't put themselves between and the consumer.

Of course they can. If they smell money and sell, they can change it to whatever they want. It's just a client for now.

It's like arguing for Skype back then based on tech aspects. It's P2P! Yes, P2P until it wasn't.

Youtube wasnt distribute in tech, but was in marketing and if you were there around 2007-10, you remember it was much less social-media-ified and felt more direct and raw. Subscribe and get notified. Just a platform.

The only way to avoid that same path is by remaining obscure and small.

I guess every new generation of tech enthusiasts has to get burned to get sufficiently disillusioned.

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rglullis ◴[] No.45082600{4}[source]
The code is open source and FOSS. They could try a bait-and-switch and they would see a dozen forks 30 minutes after the announcement.
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hnlmorg ◴[] No.45089958{5}[source]
Consumers don’t use protocols, they use branded software. Hence why Microsoft’s “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” is/was so effective.
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1. rglullis ◴[] No.45119037{6}[source]
How is "Extinguish" part going for them in regards to Linux?

There is no "Extinguish" for open source applications, systems and protocols. The closest attempt at EEE that one could try to argue was Facebook/Google leveraging XMPP at first for their messenger apps (FB Messenger/Google Talk) and then closing them down, but even that would not be accurate, given that the number of people using "truly open" XMPP has not gone down.

Talking about "branded" software is nonsense. People use what is most convenient and helps them achieve their goals. If there are no significant vendor lock-in, the cost of swithcing from open source vendor to another is essentially zero. GrayJay has no lock-in, all they do is aggregation of different video platforms.