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U.S. Emissions Rise 4.2%, China's Fall 2.7%

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196 points triceratops | 1 comments | 02 Sep 25 20:02 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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jryan49 ◴[02 Sep 25 20:37 UTC] No.45108691[source]▶
Is there a future where China uses this as leverage with the rest of the world to put sanctions on the US if we don't transition?
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Workaccount2 ◴[02 Sep 25 20:42 UTC] No.45108771[source]▶
China is doing this for energy independence. Their fossil fuel supply chain is critically vulnerable. They don't care about the climate, but will happily play the optics.
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bgnn ◴[02 Sep 25 20:56 UTC] No.45108940[source]▶
Neither the US cares about the climate amd doesn't care about the optics either.

This is capitalism in action: solar is cheaper than anything else per kwh. The obsession with fossil in the West is due to the fossil fuel lobbies, not because of the rational market forces. China doesn't have that.

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bwestergard ◴[02 Sep 25 21:02 UTC] No.45109003[source]▶
Has there ever been a polity where your "rational market forces" prevailed over "lobbies" created by market forces?
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1. bgnn ◴[03 Sep 25 17:06 UTC] No.45118152{3}[source]▶
Not in the history so far. I'm just trying to balance the extreme negative view on Chinese subsidies. They are of similar nature, and scale (as percentage of the total economy). In the EU we have this view of Chinese EVs because they get subsidies from the state, whereas we are doing the same for European car manufacturers (especially Germany amd France). We can at least be rational in our analysis.