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rhubarbtree ◴[] No.45112846[source]
Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype.

I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and demonstrably robust, without additional work outside of the livestream.

The livestream should include code review, test creation, testing, PR creation.

It should not be on a greenfield project, because nearly all coding is not.

I want to use Claude and I want to be more productive, but my experience to date is that for writing code beyond autocomplete AI is not good enough and leads to low quality code that can’t be maintained, or else requires so much hand holding that it is actually less efficient than a good programmer.

There are lots of incentives for marketing at the grassroots level. I am totally open to changing my mind but I need evidence.

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ochronus ◴[] No.45112994[source]
I agree. Based on my very subjective and limited experience (plus friends/colleagues), when it comes to producing solutions, what you get from AI is what you get from your 2-day hackathon—then you spend months making it production-ready.

And your starry-eyed CEO is asking the same old question: How come everything takes so long when a 2-person team over two days was able to produce a shiny new thing?!. sigh

Could be used for early prototyping, though, before you hire your first engineers just to fire them 6 months later.

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jf22 ◴[] No.45115955[source]
Yeah but you get the two days of hacking in 15 minutes.

And I highly doubt you spend months, as in 5+ weeks at the least making it production ready.

What even is "production readiness?" 100% fully unit tested and ready for planetary hyper scale or something? 95% of the human generated software I work on is awful but somehow makes people money.

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1. ruszki ◴[] No.45117863{3}[source]
First of all, you can rarely write down in English, what you want in 15 minutes… It’s even common to have longer specification, than its implementation. Just look at tests. Especially, if you want to do something which was never done before, the disparity can be staggering.

Claude Code for example is also not that quick at all. It produces some code quickly, but even scaffolding three hello world level example projects together definitely takes more than an hour. And that’s with zero novelty. The first version of code is done quickly, but the continuous loop of self corrections after that takes a long time. Even with Serena, Context7, and other MCPs.

And, of course, without real code review. That’s easily hours even with just few thousands lines of code, if it uses something which you don’t know. But I know that almost everybody gave up understanding “their” “own” code, during vibe coding. Even before AIs, it was a well known fact, that real code reviewing is hard, and people rarely did it.

AI can make you quicker in certain situations, but these “15 minutes” claims are totally baseless. This is one reason why many people are against AIs, vibe coding, etc. These stupid claims which cannot hold even the smallest scrutiny.

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2. jf22 ◴[] No.45131886[source]
I'm not sure if you're using these tools if you think a weekend hackathon project can't be done in 15 minutes.