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Anthropic raises $13B Series F

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llamasushi ◴[] No.45105325[source]
The compute moat is getting absolutely insane. We're basically at the point where you need a small country's GDP just to stay in the game for one more generation of models.

What gets me is that this isn't even a software moat anymore - it's literally just whoever can get their hands on enough GPUs and power infrastructure. TSMC and the power companies are the real kingmakers here. You can have all the talent in the world but if you can't get 100k H100s and a dedicated power plant, you're out.

Wonder how much of this $13B is just prepaying for compute vs actual opex. If it's mostly compute, we're watching something weird happen - like the privatization of Manhattan Project-scale infrastructure. Except instead of enriching uranium we're computing gradient descents lol

The wildest part is we might look back at this as cheap. GPT-4 training was what, $100M? GPT-5/Opus-4 class probably $1B+? At this rate GPT-7 will need its own sovereign wealth fund

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DebtDeflation ◴[] No.45105641[source]
The wildest part is that the frontier models have a lifespan of 6 months or so. I don't see how it's sustainable to keep throwing this kind of money at training new models that will be obsolete in the blink of an eye. Unless you believe that AGI is truly just a few model generations away and once achieved it's game over for everyone but the winner. I don't.
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jononor ◴[] No.45105828[source]
It is being played like a winner-takes-it-all right now (it may or may not be such a market). So it is a game of being the one that is left standing, once the others fall off. In this kind of game, speeding more is done as a strategy to increase the chances of other competitors running out of cash or otherwise hitting a wall. Sustainability is the opposite of the goal being pursued... Whether one reaches "AGI" is not considered important either, as long as one can starve out most competitors.

And for the newcomers, the scale needs to be bigger than what the incumbents (Google and Microsoft) have as discretionary spending - which is at least a few billion per year. Because at that rate, those companies can sustain it forever and would be default winners. So I think yearly expenditure is going to be 20B year++

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sdesol ◴[] No.45106637[source]
> So it is a game of being the one that is left standing

Or the last investor. When this type of money is raised, you can be sure the earlier investors are looking for ways to have a soft landing.

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1. tim333 ◴[] No.45116529{3}[source]
I'm not sure many investors are investing their own money. They are investing other people's money, maybe owned by shareholders of large companies in turn owned by our pension funds.
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2. sdesol ◴[] No.45117057[source]
It might not be their money, but they are paid a management fee and if they cannot provide some return, people will stop using them.
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3. tim333 ◴[] No.45125965[source]
The kind of thing that happens is Joe Bloggs runs the Fidelity Hot Tech fund, up 50% over the last three years. Then when it crashes that's closed and Joe is switched to the Fidelity Safe Income fund with no down years for the last five years.