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K0nserv ◴[] No.45109548[source]
The US, like most democracies, is worse at long term planning. It needs robust incentives to counteract short term instincts.

A $100/ton carbon tax would raise $490b(based on 4.9 billion tons of co2 emissions[0]) per year that could be distributed to lower income households (to offset the effect, making the tax progressive) and be used to fund green energy investment.

0: https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states

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Yizahi ◴[] No.45114152[source]
Speaking about long term planning and short term instincts it is obvious (for me personally) that any and all so called "carbon taxes" or "carbon credits" are simply a bullshit greenwashing schemes, doing more harm than good in the real long term. They are politically motivated and short term pseudo "solutions" doing nothing but shifting emissions to some "other" party or country or region. Dollars or euros or yuan paid as a fine or incentive for emissions doesn't combat those same emissions, not even a little bit.
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1. K0nserv ◴[] No.45115674[source]
I'm inclined to share your scepticism on carbon credits, but a carbon tax is very efficient. It simply prices in a negative externality and lets the market solve the problem. This is probably why it's one of the few taxes that has a broad level of support among economists[0].

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economists%27_Statement_on_Car...

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2. Yizahi ◴[] No.45117333[source]
My issue with carbon tax is that emissions happen anyway and in the same amount, they are just taxed afterwards. The only way for tax to make a dent in emissions is to tax something so thoroughly that businesses would close or partially close some production lines.

It's like taxing drugs more and more, we have already done this, taxing nicotine. It really didn't work until governments started banning some products across the globe. Before that it was just as deadly as usual, but more expensive with each new tax hike. And that is a luxury product, non essential one.

Taxing emissions too much to actually make a difference would mean taxing business so much that some low marginal ones would go bankrupt. And among those low marginal emitting businesses I'm pretty sure are a lot of truly essential ones, which we can afford to just rapidly close with no recourse. So they won;t be taxed as much or alternatively they will be subsidized after being taxed (yay, double the paperwork and double the options for corruption). And so emissions will stay around the same order of magnitude.

I would silently accept existence of the credits and taxes even if they were pointless, if in parallel governments had acknowledged and implemented actual research and later action to really combat climate change (DAC tech, sun shields, sulphur seeding etc.) at scale (important). But no luck :(