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rhubarbtree ◴[] No.45112846[source]
Does anyone have a link to a video that uses Claude Code to produce clean robust code that solves a non trivial problem (ie not tic tac toe or a landing page) more quickly than a human programmer can write? I don’t want a “demo”, I want a livestream from an independent programmer unaffiliated with any AI company and thus not incentivised to hype.

I want the code to have subsequently been deployed in production and demonstrably robust, without additional work outside of the livestream.

The livestream should include code review, test creation, testing, PR creation.

It should not be on a greenfield project, because nearly all coding is not.

I want to use Claude and I want to be more productive, but my experience to date is that for writing code beyond autocomplete AI is not good enough and leads to low quality code that can’t be maintained, or else requires so much hand holding that it is actually less efficient than a good programmer.

There are lots of incentives for marketing at the grassroots level. I am totally open to changing my mind but I need evidence.

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1. brookst ◴[] No.45114485[source]
You’re coming at this from a highly biased and even angry position, which means I don’t think you’ll be satisfied with anything people can show you.

Which isn’t entirely unreasonable; AI is not really there yet. If you took this moment and said AI will never get better, and tools and processes will never improve to better accommodate AI, and the only fair comparison is a top-tier developer, and the only legitimate scenario is high quality human-maintainable code at scale… then yes, AI coding is a lot of hype with little value.

But that’s not what’s going on, is it? The trajectory here is breathtaking. A year ago you could have set a much lower bar and AI still would have failed. And the tooling to automate PRs and documentation was rough.

AI is already providing massive leverage to both amateur and professional developers. They use the tools differently (in my world the serious developers mostly use it for boilerplate and tests).

I don’t think you’ll be convinced if the value until the revolution is in the past. Which is fine! For many of us (me being in the amateur but lifelong programmer camp) it’s already delivering value that makes its imperfections worthwhile.

Is the code I’m generating world class, ready to be handed over to humans at enterprise sclae? No, definitely not. But it exists, and the scale of my amateur projects has gone through the roof, while quality is also up because tests take near zero effort.

I know it won’t convince you, and you have every right to be skeptical and dismiss the whole thing as marketing. But IMO rejecting this new tech in the short term means you’re in for a pretty rough time when the evidence is so insurmountable. Which might be a year or two. Or even three!