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fulafel ◴[] No.45112956[source]
It doesn't list the advantages over water, which seems the most common in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy_storage systems.

You'd think water would be easier to exchange heat with since it can slosh around the heat exchanger elements in the tank more easily. Which should translate to lower costs since you don't need as many exchanger structures in the medium.

Any guesses for the motivation in using sand? Maybe it's that you can heat it over 100C? But then big heat differences to the environment mean high conductive/radiation losses or heavier insulation requirements.

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tarvaina ◴[] No.45112977[source]
The Wikipedia article says:

"Rock, sand and concrete has a heat capacity about one third of water's. On the other hand, concrete can be heated to much higher temperatures (1200 °C) by for example electrical heating and therefore has a much higher overall volumetric capacity."

and

"Polar Night Energy installed a thermal battery in Finland that stores heat in a mass of sand. It was expected to reduce carbon emissions from the local heating network by as much as 70%. It is about 42 ft (13 m) tall and 50 ft (15 m) wide. It can store 100 MWh, with a round trip efficiency of 90%. Temperatures reach 1,112 ºF (600 ºC). The heat transfer medium is air, which can reach temperatures of 752 ºF (400 ºC) – can produce steam for industrial processes, or it can supply district heating using a heat exchanger."

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fulafel ◴[] No.45113052[source]
The higher temperature output is a good point, you can't get 400C output for industrial processes from a 100C water based heat battery.
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1. dinkblam ◴[] No.45114125[source]
a Blast furnace needs closer to 2000° than 400°

in any case, how would you transport high temperatures to the industrial sites? water boils at 100° and few liquids boil above 400°. most liquids will be impractical due to cost or safety (combustibility, toxicity…).

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2. happosai ◴[] No.45114576[source]
Of course you can't do blast furnace with a sand battery. But there is still a sizable market for industrial heat in between 100c <> 400c.
3. rsynnott ◴[] No.45115207[source]
Pump water through, producing steam to drive a turbine, use turbine to generate electricity, use electricity for industrial process.

Now, in practice you _probably_ don't want to do this, because, in this case, you have district heating demand, which is a far more efficient use of the power.

4. fulafel ◴[] No.45115311[source]
Steam?