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Hansenq ◴[] No.45109151[source]
This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me.

An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The ban on exclusive contracts makes sense though; they should not be allowed to use contracts to furthur their monopoly position.

And similarly with Chrome; it made no sense to bring Chrome into this equation. Google started, developed, and built Chrome into the best browser available today NOT through exclusive contracts, but because Chrome is just a better product. Users can switch to Firefox/Safari (Mac default)/Edge (Windows default); they don't because Chrome is better. Forcing Google to give up one of its best products is effectively eminent domain by the government to a private company.

With the rise of ChatGPT (I barely use Google anymore) and AI search engines potentially shifting the search landscape, who knows if Google will still be a monopoly 5 years from now. Software moves fast and the best solution to software monopoly is more software competition.

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pinkmuffinere ◴[] No.45110056[source]
> Google started, developed, and built Chrome into the best browser available today

I don’t think this is as settled as you imply. I tend to like Google products, and do almost everything in the Google ecosystem. But my browser is normally brave or Firefox, because better Adblock is so so impactful. I feel that chrome is a valid alternative, but that no browser is really clearly “the best”. In your view, what is it that makes chrome the best?

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ehsankia ◴[] No.45112289[source]
1. It might not be the best across all metrics today, but it definitely was a few years ago.

2. While it's true that other browsers like Firefox have been catching up to Chrome in speed, it's still true that Chrome help lead the way and if not for it, the web would've likely been far slower today.

3. There has been an explosion in other browsers in the past few years, but admittedly they're all chromium-based, so even that wouldn't have been possible without Chrome

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1. nwienert ◴[] No.45113276[source]
Safari has been better for going on 5 years now, funny thing is it was worse for long enough that it seems everyone, even to this day, refuses to believe it.

Faster in basically every dimension. Supporting way more than FF in terms of specs. Way more efficient on battery. Better feeling scroll, better UI.

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2. holografix ◴[] No.45113404[source]
Agreed. Only thing lacking is the multi Google account/profile support
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3. lnenad ◴[] No.45114170[source]
Any source for that?

https://www.browserating.com/ doesn't put it in top5 on any non-ios platform?

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4. quitit ◴[] No.45114689[source]
Profile came to Safari in iOS 17. https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/iphone/iphd27a9ff22/17...

Similarly with Safari 17 on macOS.

5. nwienert ◴[] No.45122804[source]
Chrome caught up in the last year or so, but also speedometer is also fairly arbitrary. Open/close, tab open/close, tab switch, scroll, initial load, resizing all still far better. Actual app performance depends on the app but for a few years Safari was clearly better.
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6. lnenad ◴[] No.45125238{3}[source]
So your source is your personal opinion. Got it.
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7. nwienert ◴[] No.45140007{4}[source]
100% objective, in fact among better web developers this has been common knowledge. There were plenty of articles, side by sides and benchmarks over the last years showing it.