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jackvalentine ◴[] No.45111369[source]
I bought a 5 year old Lenovo x13 and installed Debian on it, haven’t used linux in years but wanted to play around.

Installed, logged in for the first time and got the ‘welcome to KDE’ screen, dismissed it and then… nothing.

Every time I log in… nothing.

It just sits there waiting for me to do something. It doesn’t tell me to do anything. I’ve been mostly using it to play Civ2.

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OsrsNeedsf2P ◴[] No.45111428[source]
But how are they going to make money?
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1. tomrod ◴[] No.45111557[source]
Through selling durable goods that don't have planned obsolescence
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2. M95D ◴[] No.45112704[source]
... until everyone has one.

Don't you see that the "make money" is the actual problem?

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3. nurettin ◴[] No.45112725[source]
And what is your solution? Abolish the medium which humanity uses to freely exchange goods and services?
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4. baubino ◴[] No.45113196[source]
“Make money” isn’t the problem. The problem is the expectation for infinite growth.
5. tomrod ◴[] No.45115218[source]
Maytag service repair, Toyota service repair, etc.

While the margins and revenue are lower on durable + repair vs. planned obsolescence, the owner can sleep better at night knowing they've morally served their fellow human and not unduly destroyed the economy and the environment.

Money is a store of value. Even under communism, in POW camps, and in primate groups, trade occurs behind the scenes with unofficial currency. It's simply too strong of an idea and too engrained to wave our hands that money shouldn't exist. Whether we do it by cumbersome IOU notes or have a generalized and widely accepted interface doesn't make a difference.

But if you want to argue that regressive taxation is bad, I'm on board.

6. dumbledoren ◴[] No.45121750{3}[source]
He used 'money' for 'profits' apparently. Profitmaking is the problem. Money is just a vehicle. And you can abolish profit-making through an open-source world: Projects can get started to create infinitely repairable, durable, and modular products based on standards instead of profit-making through planned obsolescence or farcical 'new features'. These products can get used and maintained by their users for decades.
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7. nurettin ◴[] No.45123729{4}[source]
But again, we are required to make money/profits/bazingas/whatchamacallit to survive. Our production tools are computers and computing. How do you survive? Just have rich parents? There needs to be an evil demonic profit maker somewhere.
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8. M95D ◴[] No.45124422{5}[source]
Survive by what you earn month-to-month and then by pension, like 90+% of the planet.
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9. nurettin ◴[] No.45124690{6}[source]
lol no I will mess with time!