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U.S. Emissions Rise 4.2%, China's Fall 2.7%

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196 points triceratops | 2 comments | 02 Sep 25 20:02 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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jryan49 ◴[02 Sep 25 20:37 UTC] No.45108691[source]▶
Is there a future where China uses this as leverage with the rest of the world to put sanctions on the US if we don't transition?
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Workaccount2 ◴[02 Sep 25 20:42 UTC] No.45108771[source]▶
China is doing this for energy independence. Their fossil fuel supply chain is critically vulnerable. They don't care about the climate, but will happily play the optics.
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zahlman ◴[02 Sep 25 20:51 UTC] No.45108862[source]▶
The US also apparently seeks energy independence, but seems unwilling to give up "farmland" (or, you know, household roofs or awnings over parking lots) to do it.
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_aavaa_ ◴[02 Sep 25 20:52 UTC] No.45108879[source]▶
Happy to give up farmland if you can install a pump jack.
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anonfordays ◴[02 Sep 25 21:10 UTC] No.45109107{3}[source]▶
Pump jacks use an order of magnitude less space.
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1. _aavaa_ ◴[02 Sep 25 21:45 UTC] No.45109500{4}[source]▶
A) that’s simply untrue. Solar panels and wind turbines don’t use up the land. You can grow crops and graze under the panels and the wind turbine is mostly in the sky.

B) solar panels and wind turbines tend not to spill toxic waste into the ground around them. And tend not to be put up on your own land without your consent.

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2. anonfordays ◴[03 Sep 25 06:33 UTC] No.45112844[source]▶
>A) that’s simply untrue.

Wrong, it's simply true. Solar panels use land poorly, the MW per unit area is poor.

>You can grow crops and graze under the panels

Agrovoltaics accounts for less than 0.5% of commercial solar installations in rural lands. Effectively no one is doing this, it's not cost effective. You can't fit tractors/combines between the panels.

>And tend not to be put up on your own land without your consent.

What do you mean? No one is putting pump jacks on property without the owners consent.