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jryan49 ◴[] No.45108691[source]
Is there a future where China uses this as leverage with the rest of the world to put sanctions on the US if we don't transition?
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Workaccount2 ◴[] No.45108771[source]
China is doing this for energy independence. Their fossil fuel supply chain is critically vulnerable. They don't care about the climate, but will happily play the optics.
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1. the_duke ◴[] No.45109345[source]
> They don't care about the climate

I don't think it's that simple.

China is a signatory to Kyoto and Paris.

They do care about reducing pollution, and have managed to do so quite significantly in many cities.

China also has quite a bit to lose: many large cities on the coasts, and worsening water shortage problems.

National security probably plays a large role, and I reckon they would prioritize economy over climate, but the evidence implies that they do also care.

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2. chrisco255 ◴[] No.45109496[source]
Water shortage has nothing to do with global warming, just overpopulation in specific regions. The world if anything is getting more precipitous than in the past.
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3. adgjlsfhk1 ◴[] No.45109594[source]
Climate change has local effects. More flooding in some areas can coexist with more drought in others.
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4. ericmay ◴[] No.45109702[source]
Regarding Paris it’s probably a matter of convenience too. Why not sign on to all this stuff if you’re going to build solar anyway to reduce your commodity dependency exposure as you prep for Taiwan?

You can think about this as if China had access to the same oil reserves or oil markets as the US does, would they behave differently? Absolutely.

Separately I think eliminating pollution is more along the lines of their country just doing good things for their people. Climate change stances and whatnot I don’t think are the same, nor are the intentions.

5. chrisco255 ◴[] No.45109809{3}[source]
Drought prone areas have actually reduced in recent decades overall. Drought and flood cycles are also impacted by ancient oceanic factors including the El Nino/La Nina cycle as well as the multidecadal oscillations in Pacific and Atlantic.
6. rsynnott ◴[] No.45118441[source]
> Water shortage has nothing to do with global warming

I mean, on a global basis, sure, not really. But if you currently get your water supply for your megacities from rivers A, B, C and D, then yeah, that's vulnerable, and that river E on the other side of the country with no infra has increased in flow will be little consolation.