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    jryan49 ◴[] No.45108691[source]
    Is there a future where China uses this as leverage with the rest of the world to put sanctions on the US if we don't transition?
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    thegrim33 ◴[] No.45108775[source]
    China emits a full 1/3 of the entire planet's CO2 emissions, emits three times as much as the US does, and emits more than any other country on Earth.
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    1. notTooFarGone ◴[] No.45108798[source]
    The country with most people emit the most... Cmon HN...
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    2. richwater ◴[] No.45108813[source]
    Rising temperatures and sea levels don't care about per capita emissions.

    If you _actually_ think climate change is an existential threat, you cannot think in per capita measurements.

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    3. ojbyrne ◴[] No.45108851[source]
    FYI, India has surpassed China for the largest population.
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    4. lucb1e ◴[] No.45108856[source]
    The opposite... if you think climate change is an issue, it's everyone's issue, not just china's
    5. scotty79 ◴[] No.45108912[source]
    Why would rising sea levels care about per-country emissions?

    Per-capita measurements are more sensible because then you know how many humans and which ones need to get wiped for Gaia to be happy.

    6. AlecSchueler ◴[] No.45108932[source]
    And how much of the world's goods are they manufacturing?

    GP no doubt complaining about Chinese emissions via their made in China smartphone.

    7. iooi ◴[] No.45108943[source]
    Wrong. India is the most populous country, and the third highest emitter.
    8. boudin ◴[] No.45108952[source]
    Chima is also the country that produces a big chunk of what western countries consumes. The emissions from China are also our emissions.
    9. alex_smart ◴[] No.45108959[source]
    If you think that that is going to stop the people in China and India from wanting to increase their standard of livings, that is beyond delusional.

    And did I read the article’s headline wrong or isn’t the article about China actually decreasing their absolute emissions.

    10. lucb1e ◴[] No.45109101[source]
    I assume they meant either between the two, namely that China dwarfs USA in population, or just as a general rule that more people have more needs

    India compared to China is a 4% difference, 1.47 vs 1.41 B

    11. triceratops ◴[] No.45109275[source]
    It's always easy to do nothing and blame others.

    Americans (and other Westerners and developed countries) emit carbon to drive SUVs and eat burgers and steak. They tell everyone else to stay poor lest they emit carbon. Then also shame them for needing aid.

    I'm glad China's at least making something useful with their emissions.

    12. triceratops ◴[] No.45109282[source]
    People who still make these arguments are fundamentally dishonest and don't give a shit about the climate. They just want nothing to change for them.

    I'd have more respect if they were honest about this.

    13. chrisco255 ◴[] No.45109453[source]
    India is the most populous country.
    14. tzs ◴[] No.45111996[source]
    Per capita is relevant because while nature only cares about the total, it is people doing the emissions.

    If everyone could emit each year as much as they wanted the total would go over whatever cap we need to keep it under to prevent catastrophic warming and sea level rise. Since only the total matters to nature then every ton of CO2 one person emits anywhere in the world has exactly the same impact as every ton of CO2 any other person emits anywhere else in the world.

    In effect whatever cap we decide on for annual emissions act like a finite consumable for the year that is shared by everyone on Earth.

    Unless you can come up with a good argument why some people should have a right to bigger share of that consumable than others, each person should get the total annual emission cap divided by the population Earth. Let's call this amount 1 share.

    A government is doing its fair share to address climate change if it can get the emissions of the people under its jurisdiction down to 1 share per person.

    Since nature doesn't care where emissions come it is OK if some people use more more than 1 share as long as others use less to balance it. A government just needs to get the average from the people under its jurisdiction down to 1 share per person.