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daniel_iversen ◴[] No.45091679[source]
This might be controversial but I'm not sure you should be able to install whatever you want on "hardware you own". Reason being (and I was trying hard to explore an "other side of the argument" and whether there was/is one) examples like Kindles, where I think originally Amazon had it as a loss leader to sell ebooks. I reckon they brought a great product into the market and established a new category (mass market ebooks and ebook readers) and if they want to restrict us from rooting it then so be it (they could not sell it at a loss if it was super easy to root and not even use it as a Kindle initially) as long as they're clear about the restrictions up-front. Thoughts? :)
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dangus ◴[] No.45091939[source]
Some other examples of why this could be bad:

- Running code on your car that compromises safety, like modifying/disabling legally-required safety features.

- Modifying code on health devices, like pacemakers

- Protective code involving things like overheating protections (e.g., firmware preventing you from disabling cooling fans in your laptop or running your 3D printer so that it catches fire)

- Running devices with parameters known by the manufacturer to damage them (e.g., processor manufacturers will let you overclock their chips but will keep some parameters limited/locked that the designers know will not work)

It’s notable that Google is implementing this change first specifically in countries that are impacted by a specific style of fake app scam. They seem to be responding to a legitimate consumer safety issue.

Should we be able to run our own code on our own devices? Generally, yes, and it’s also already legal to do so even if the manufacturer doesn’t want you to. But it’s also legal for manufacturers to set their own parameters.

Like you said, examples like Kindles and game consoles exist where the business needs to have some level of freedom in defining their business model. Would you be able to buy a $150 4K TV at Walmart if the included Roku software wasn’t subsidizing it?

The issues surrounding anticompetitive lock-down only occur in markets with a lack of competition and I think those issues can be balanced agains the manufacturer’s desires to sell a specific experience.

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Palomides ◴[] No.45092448[source]
I should be able to modify the software on all of those things, if I want to toast my CPU, my car, or my heart, that's entirely reasonable and there are tons of other ways to do them anyway
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ironman1478 ◴[] No.45093953[source]
Your heart, sure. I don't care because it just affects you. Your car, no. An issue there could hurt other people.
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1. jerjerjer ◴[] No.45107126[source]
> Your car, no. An issue there could hurt other people.

Which is already covered by existing laws. Same as other categories given by dangus.