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Workaccount2 ◴[] No.45103567[source]
What's interesting about imgur, and telling of how times changed, was that it was created mostly to fill the gap in unreliable uploading of images to reddit.

Which begs the question: What the hell was reddit doing that they didn't immediately implement an image hosting feature to keep users on the platform? Imgur rose to fame because it was the darling image host of reddit users, and it wasn't long before imgur needed to pay hosting costs and started sucking users away from reddit and into their own "imgurian" sharing hub.

I guess the internet back then was still in the "Open effort to make the internet awesome for everyone" phase, and hadn't yet gotten to the adversarial "Capture users and never let them leave" phase.

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Aurornis ◴[] No.45104190[source]
I was an early Reddit user. Very early Reddit was a popular spot for programming discussion because it was mostly tech people using it.

That quickly flipped, as /r/NSFW became the most popular subreddit. You could avoid it by browsing as a guest or by curating your feed, but porn was everywhere.

Early Reddit also had a strong attitude about minimal moderation. The early days were characterized by a feeling that anything goes as long as it wasn’t illegal or too extreme to defend. Combined with the popularity of porn on the website it created strange situations where a lot of subreddits were focused on things like legal-enough photos of underage children. There were also a lot of weird alt-right and white supremacist forums. There was an unofficial (if I recall correctly) “Subreddit of the Day” that attracted controversy because it actually highlighted one of the “jailbait” subreddits and even a white supremacist subreddit.

So if you were there at the time, it was obvious why Reddit wasn’t going to host their own images: It would have been a legal nightmare with all of the porn (copyrighted material), the creepy underage stuff, and white supremacist memes

Reddit did a decent job of containing this stuff out of view of the average user and later removing it from the site. It took many years.

If you peeked at /r/all or browsed new during the early days it would have been clear why image hosting would have been out of the question at the time.

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logifail ◴[] No.45104677[source]
> The early days were characterized by a feeling that anything goes as long as it wasn’t illegal or too extreme to defend.

Q: Wouldn't most of us want to defend the right to publish content that's "not illegal"?

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1. Aurornis ◴[] No.45105070[source]
On your own site or services? Of course.

I don’t want to host that content, though. That’s also my right.

As I discovered on the early days on Reddit, I don’t even want to be on a site where content is a free-for-all because you could go from scrolling through programming topics to encountering sexualized imagery of minors by scrolling if you weren’t careful.

This is the problem with every hardcore free speech platform: They attract the people who only come to post that content, while everyone else who doesn’t want to see it starts leaving. Then after some time, the majority of your content is catering to those niches.

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2. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.45105694[source]
On the other hand, the presence of that kind of content in other subreddits functioned as a highly-effective anti-normie filter on the rest of the site. It kept the kind of people who shit up Twitter away.
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3. mananaysiempre ◴[] No.45105739[source]
This is a prisoner’s dilemma situation. You don’t want to host that content, which is your right. And neither does anyone else. So every place that does try ends up swamped with the undesirables and either stops trying, goes bust, or turns into a poisonous swamp. And thus all the “yes but not here” people collectively end up enforcing a degree of censorship beyond what the law actually requires, or (in other cases) effectively erasing opinions that a fair part of society does hold (thus effectively forcing that part of society to turn into a poisonous swamp).

(Neutral example: at some point in the past the clinics around me started requiring appointments to come in for doctor-prescribed tests. Recently, the closest one did that too, saying that they were the only one remaining and ended up being overloaded with all the people who wouldn’t or couldn’t make an appointment. And thus we’re all worse off now.)

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4. mort96 ◴[] No.45106001[source]
It seems like you view free speech as "everyone should be provided a platform to speak their mind", more or less. With that view, what you speak of is arguably a problem, sure.

My view of free speech is simply: the government shouldn't arrest you for publishing most things (with only certain mostly-well-defined exceptions). If there are views which are not illegal but which no platform will let you publish, I really don't see the problem. If enough people share those views they can get together and make their own platform. It's not even hard to make a platform anymore, anyone can buy a domain and set up nginx on a raspberry pi.

Freedom from government persecution on the basis of speech is extremely important to me (again, with exceptions). Freedom to publish unsavoury-but-legal content on other people's platforms is completely unimportant to me.

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5. Aurornis ◴[] No.45106902[source]
> effectively erasing opinions that a fair part of society does hold

There is no widespread opinion that does not have countless corresponding platforms to share it.

I guarantee you cannot find an opinion that cannot be shared on at least one of the major social media platforms right now.

This extinction of free speech does not happen.

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7. Aurornis ◴[] No.45107016[source]
I was there and I couldn't disagree more.

I see more parallels between the people who thrived in the early Reddit cesspool era and the same people who are spreading culture wars, misinfo, and other garbage on Twitter.

The early days of Reddit were a haven for culture war and misinfo people.

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9. wredcoll ◴[] No.45107805{3}[source]
That's what he said: anti-normie.
10. bsimpson ◴[] No.45108918[source]
> started requiring appointments

I fear we're headed this way generally. There's a kind of person who likes to plan everything ahead of time. As we hit capacity limits (e.g. overtourism), those planners are going to book all the available capacity. We're going to either have to adapt to be like them, or be locked out of experiences.

I'm very not happy about it.

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11. nullc ◴[] No.45112475{3}[source]
That type mostly only wants the most shrinkwrapped and commercialized experiences.

Do something unique, something new, something odd. You won't have any competition from ahead bookers and you can have experiences they'll never imagine.

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12. TheNewsIsHere ◴[] No.45114732{4}[source]
I would submit that many essential things are shrink wrapped and commercialized (fantastic phrase, by the way).

It’s not just the planners either. It’s the people who are unreasonable and it’s the people who lack any external center of concern. By way of example: it used to be easy to get in touch with my physician. As the practice she works for has grown, they’ve made it all but impossible for physicians and patients to have a conversation privately and without an intermediary, except when you’re in the exam room or a physician places an outgoing call.

As their practice grew, so too did the number of people who believed they should or could (defensibly) go directly to their doctor about every little thing. People made unreasonable demands. So the practice reacted to protect the physicians at the cost of their accessibility to patients, other than booking a visit.

13. TheNewsIsHere ◴[] No.45114766{3}[source]
I’ve never understood the “everyone is entitled to have their voice heard by the masses” idea.

It’s never been true before, let alone realistic. It’s only with the past several decades of networked computing that humans have been able to so vastly amplify the reach of an individual or group opinion.

Just because it’s easier than ever to publish speech doesn’t make having one’s speech published any kind of right.