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jl6 ◴[] No.45100453[source]
> As today’s world faces rising sea levels driven by climate change, the researchers hope to shed light on how Stone Age societies adapted to shifting coastlines more than eight millennia ago.

Unfortunately I don't expect there is any particularly reusable solution to be uncovered. Ancient peoples facing rising tides almost certainly just walked a bit inland and built new huts there. They probably thought nothing of it. They were a far more physically mobile culture, without great dependence on immense, immovable infrastructure - nor on rigid land ownership rules.

Our culture's migration will be entirely different.

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welferkj ◴[] No.45100889[source]
>nor on rigid land ownership rules.

Land ownership was formalized about as soon as there was a reason for anyone to own land - i.e., as soon as any given people started doing pastoralism and agriculture.

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adamlett ◴[] No.45101304[source]
Possibly, but what we think of as land ownership today — land as a commodity that can be freely bought and sold, and as something that gives the owner near-total control over how it’s used — is actually a fairly recent development.

In feudal Europe, land could only be “owned” by a lord, and even then it was bound up in obligations both to their superiors and to the peasants working it. There were all sorts of customary rights layered on top: in Denmark, for example, nobles had a monopoly on hunting and timber in their forests, but peasants still had rights to gather firewood, berries, nuts, mushrooms, and so on.

Village fields were also often organized under the open-field system, where land was divided into strips. Each household got a mix of good and poor soil, and in some places those strips were even periodically reallocated to keep things fair. It’s a very different picture from modern private property.

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mrangle[dead post] ◴[] No.45102465[source]
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ceejayoz ◴[] No.45102582[source]
> Then, you're arguing for feudalist land ownership customs?

This is a really bad-faith reframing of the parent comment.

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mrangle ◴[] No.45104689[source]
> Then, you're arguing for feudalist land ownership customs?

>This is a really bad-faith reframing of the parent comment.

How so? Very respectfully, perhaps you should read with more care.

See here:

>those strips were even periodically reallocated to keep things fair.

Which stands alone as an argument for feudalist customs, but I also argue that it frames the rest as an argument-in-favor. Such as this, seemingly positively highlighting community "customary rights".

>In feudal Europe, land could only be “owned” by a lord, and even then it was bound up in obligations both to their superiors and to the peasants working it. There were all sorts of customary rights layered on top:

Critique my answer, but accusing a bad faith argument doesn't hold up.

No one who reads for comprehension would credibly interpret the post as anything but an argument for feudalist customs. To be generous: even if the over-arching intent possibly is to change modern legal customs via any necessary argument.

That may be, but highlighting feudalism is a morally perilous way to go about it.

I disagree with the perspective entirely, but if someone is going to advocate for it then they should find a less morally backwards method than highlighting the ostensible fairness of the feudal era.

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1. ceejayoz ◴[] No.45105034[source]
The point was very clearly not "feudal lords should come back and that system was good".

The point was "even the feudal lords realized you have to have some concept of shared/common purpose lands or things go bad fast".