←back to thread

Next.js is infuriating

(blog.meca.sh)
1033 points Bogdanp | 3 comments | 02 Sep 25 06:57 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
Show context
usernamed7 ◴[02 Sep 25 08:39 UTC] No.45100493[source]▶
as a Rails dev this makes me LOL. I would have expected the rube goldburg machine of JS frameworks to be more robust and ergonomic by now, but it looks more to be hacks built on top of hacks with no real vision or technical leadership.
replies(3): >>45100508 #>>45100526 #>>45100761 #
b_e_n_t_o_n ◴[02 Sep 25 08:42 UTC] No.45100508[source]▶
Like said in the article, most other JS frameworks are actually pretty good these days.
replies(1): >>45100557 #
zwnow ◴[02 Sep 25 08:50 UTC] No.45100557[source]▶
I work with Vue 2 and Vue 3, both options and composition APIs and both are pretty great. I dont know how it's like for very complex UI but it 100% fulfills my needs.

Also shout out to Pinia, I love you!

replies(1): >>45100901 #
sensanaty ◴[02 Sep 25 09:49 UTC] No.45100901[source]▶
I have a monstrosity of a Vue 3 project at work and I far prefer it to any "elegant" React codebase I've ever had the displeasure of working with. Boggles the mind that React still has any mindshare to me, Vue and Svelte are both superior to it in pretty much every way except for availability of component libraries (which isn't so relevant in my line of work), and a slight edge in terms of TypeScript support (mostly a problem with Vue's props).
replies(3): >>45100953 #>>45101576 #>>45101642 #
sfn42 ◴[02 Sep 25 11:24 UTC] No.45101576{3}[source]▶
I think React is fine, the problem is that every single react app I've inherited is ass - people just do everything incorrectly and overcomplicate simple things. Components with like 5 different useEffects, huge global state causing all kinds of bugs, way too much frontend logic in general. The amount of JS code that exists just to mimic things you can do with HTML and CSS is staggering.

Everyone complains that react is so slow and horrible, it isn't. It's their code that's slow and horrible, react is snappy as hell when you use it properly.

replies(2): >>45101805 #>>45101993 #
1. sensanaty ◴[02 Sep 25 12:05 UTC] No.45101993{4}[source]▶
> It's their code that's slow and horrible, react is snappy as hell when you use it properly.

That's the problem though, it's hilariously easy to shoot yourself in the foot with React. If almost every project makes the same common mistakes, it ceases being an issue with the people using it, it's a broader problem. With Vue or Svelte you'd have to try damned hard and go out of your way to mess up in similar ways, because the idiomatic way of writing Vue, especially with Options API, is so simple and straightforward. How many articles do we have out there begging people to please stop using `useEffect`, for example?

Plus, React's reactivity model is terrible and a source of a lot of performance pitfalls. Vue's and Svelte's Proxy/Signals-based approach is much more performant out the gate, and in the case of Vue the diff reconciliation algorithm is a lot better than React's, which itself will already prevent a bunch of useless re-renders compared to 'standard' React apps.

replies(1): >>45102136 #
2. sfn42 ◴[02 Sep 25 12:18 UTC] No.45102136[source]▶
I don't know Vue so I can't compare. All I know is when I write react apps they're simple, nice and snappy. And I'm not even a frontend dev nor a JS dev, I mainly work backend. It's not that hard. In fact it's significantly harder to write a horrible mess. I have to spend ages cleaning up before I can start doing real work, because I can't deal with the horrible messes people make.

This isn't just a react problem by the way, people write horrible messy backend code as well so I'm having a hard time believing that they wouldn't find a way to make a horrible mess of a Vue app as well.

But maybe you're right, maybe it is better. I wouldn't know.

replies(1): >>45102361 #
3. sensanaty ◴[02 Sep 25 12:41 UTC] No.45102361[source]▶
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Vue is perfect, it has its share of annoyances that I hope get resolved, mostly around poor typescript experience with things like props and events for example. But for your average day-to-day Vue experience, it is in my opinion so much more productive than React, and importantly for the less skilled/knowledgeable members of the team it's so much harder to fuck up than React is. And as I said in my original comment, the codebase at work I maintain is a monstrosity, but because of Vue's patterns it's also easier to deal with and fix than the equivalent fucked up React version would be.

I'd recommend giving it, and especially Svelte, a try, especially with Options API in Vue (but CompAPI is nice too). It's really clear early on how simple it is, despite it paradoxically having more to it than React does (like the event/prop system)