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rho4 ◴[01 Sep 25 08:41 UTC] No.45090791[source]▶

I for example do not understand how it can be possible that Ukraine transports Russian gas on its pipeline network. Not sure if that's still the case though.

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contrarian1234 ◴[01 Sep 25 09:19 UTC] No.45090995[source]▶

>>45090791 #

Nor do I understand how Europe still buys gas from Russia.. in effect funding and prolonging the war. They seem to be playing both sides. Saying how horrible the Russian regime is, while directly giving it more money. And then giving weapons to Ukraine..

It seems completely morally bankrupt... If instead of Russia it was ISIS, would they still send money just so they have cheap gas? Like at what point would they stop? Do the Russians need to be impaling babies and goosestepping through Red Square?

I also don't understand why Ukrainians don't feel a deep sense of betrayal about this

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maccard ◴[01 Sep 25 09:24 UTC] No.45091026[source]▶

>>45090995 #

> Nor do I understand how Europe still buys gas from Russia

Because the alternative isn't buying gas from somewhere else, it's not buying the gas. This turns a foreign war into a major major domestic issue.

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1. contrarian1234 ◴[01 Sep 25 09:37 UTC] No.45091098[source]▶

>>45091026 #

I'd be curious to hear what Europeans actually think of it on the ground. Is it not a major domestic issue that your governments are funding a genocidal regime? Do people just kinda pretend it's not happening b/c it's inconvenient to talk about? Just kinda blush, say sorry, and carry on?

I don't really understand the psychology of it. Are people for instance actively trying to use less gas in their personal lives?

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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[01 Sep 25 09:40 UTC] No.45091120[source]▶

>>45091098 (TP) #

edited, not feeding the troll

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3. poszlem ◴[01 Sep 25 09:56 UTC] No.45091234[source]▶

>>45091098 (TP) #

Most Europeans see it like watching someone drown, they want to help, but not at the cost of drowning themselves in the process.

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4. jeltz ◴[01 Sep 25 09:58 UTC] No.45091252[source]▶

>>45091120 #

Look at the name, he is likely trolling people.

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5. CheeseFromLidl ◴[01 Sep 25 10:00 UTC] No.45091261[source]▶

>>45091098 (TP) #

I don’t speak for others, probably a minority opinion. I vividly remember the protests against the switch to Russian oil and against the pipeline. There’s a saying here: if you burn your ass you sit on the blisters.

6. FirmwareBurner ◴[01 Sep 25 10:24 UTC] No.45091403{3}[source]▶

>>45091252 #

you're right

7. baal80spam ◴[01 Sep 25 14:37 UTC] No.45092978[source]▶

>>45091234 #

I mean, the compassion ends when your bills increase twofold - it's that simple.

8. m4rtink ◴[01 Sep 25 21:10 UTC] No.45096630[source]▶

>>45091098 (TP) #

In Czech Republic upgraded our infra and stopped using Russian gas and oil.

Might have something to do with Russia orchestrated terrorist attack agains Czech munition warehouses that killed two people in 2014[0].

Or the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968[1] - just because the local communist leaders happened to be a bit too much enlightened for their tastes.

Just a few days ago I went past memorial plague for the girl killed in protests against the Soviet invasion in 1969[2][3] - forever 18 years old...

There were lots of flowers, people still remember.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunitio...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czec...

[2] https://cs.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu%C5%A1e_Muzik%C3%A1%C5%9...

[3] https://encyklopedie.brna.cz/home-mmb/?acc=profil-osobnosti&...

9. hackandthink ◴[02 Sep 25 05:19 UTC] No.45099386[source]▶

>>45091098 (TP) #

I see different degrees of genocide and support.

I am generally against arms deliveries, especially to Israel and Russia.

Sanctions should above all be effective. Russia is difficult to sanction especially if China and India do not play along.

The energy sanctions hurt Germany more than Russia, so I don't support them.

Specifically, I heat with gas in winter and try to reduce my consumption.

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