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zmmmmm ◴[] No.45088995[source]
> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware

It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your own operating system because it's not in Netflix's financial interest for you to do so. Or your banks, or your government. They all benefit from you not having control, so you can't.

This is why it's so important to defend the real principles here not just the technical artefacts of them. Netflix shouldn't be able to insist on a particular type of DRM for me to receive their service. Governments shouldn't be able to prevent me from end to end encrypting things. I should be able to opt into all this if I want more security, but it can't be mandatory. However all of these things are not technical, they are principles and rights that we have to argue for.

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fastaguy88 ◴[] No.45089202[source]
Really not a libertarian, but why shouldn’t Netflix have the right to choose who they distribute content to? They negotiated conditions with the creators, why shouldn’t they be able to specify the DRM? No one is forcing you to subscribe to Netflix. Or even to buy an iPad.
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ekianjo ◴[] No.45089426[source]
For Netflix sure. I don't care. But when it comes to banking and you are forced to use between two OS or this means no access to your bank digitally, this is a massive problem and restriction to citizens' freedom. Everyone needs a bank to operate, and they need to maximize the options available to use them.
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1. tonyhart7 ◴[] No.45089662[source]
well no one to force you to do banking from smartphones

You can do manually like the old days, EXPLICTLY ALLOWING NON GOOGLE/APPLE to do banking in their own mobile phone meaning THERE ARE MILLIONS OF USERS that can fall victim to scammer+cracker

how cant you see all of that???? ITS JUST NOT ABOUT YOU

edit: please educate first, y'all need to know differences between mobile banking and internet banking

You can downvote me all you want, but I don't want to hear lecture from non-security compliant engineer about what to do about security

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2. onion2k ◴[] No.45089720[source]
Locking down a website to only be available to users on Apple and Windows doesn't make it safer. It just reduces the cost of building it because you don't have to bother testing it on any other platforms. Rather than tell users "Danger, we haven't tested your choice of OS" companies prefer to lock it down.

Users on Apple and Windows are not safer because a bank has chosen to block Linux.

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3. hdgvhicv ◴[] No.45089772[source]
My bank lets me do everything just fine on Firefox/linux.
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4. tonyhart7 ◴[] No.45089829[source]
its not mobile banking if you use browser

its just browser/internet banking

also mobile banking has much more capabilites in forms of app than just "web page"

5. trinix912 ◴[] No.45090066{3}[source]
Until they decide to force you to use the mobile app as a 2FA for the website. My bank did that, I literally had to buy a new phone because the old one couldn't update their stupid app. It locks you in to the latest N versions of Android/iOS.

Before you ask, no, other banks aren't any better where I live. They all stopped using physical 2FA keys years ago. And no, they won't let you come in physically for things that can be done online.

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6. trinix912 ◴[] No.45090082[source]
For now, until they come up with some stupid 2FA solution that requires installing and updating their Android/iOS app. Banks where I live already have and there's literally no way around it (they don't use physical 2FA keys anymore).
7. tonyhart7 ◴[] No.45091923{4}[source]
good for them to care more about security then