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Gore, Obama, Bernie.

yup. we'd be living great.

We don't know what Gore or Bernie would have done once in office or how the world would have responded differently to those presidencies. We could be living great, it could have gone even worse, or more likely it could just be different.

We do know. Don't both-sides here.

That seems like a common trope recently. How am I both sides-ing this?

Edit: trope may not be the right term here. "Don't both sides it" is a baseless claim meant to shut down a discussion rather than refute, debate, or discuss it.

It could not have "gone even worse". Anti-competence regimes are a disaster. Destroying America's alliances, international relations, leadership, soft power, environment, leadership in renewable energy, and more are all disasters that will take decades to recover from if ever (I'm personally leading towards Pax Americana being over and never recovering).

But you simply have nothing to compare against. Are you honestly saying there is absolutely no reality in which those years could have gone worse if the elections went the other way?

The Iraq was was entirely unnecessary. It cost $3 Trillion[1], the lives of more than 500,000 Iraqi civilians, the lives of more than 8000 US troops and contractors, and so much more. It built a wave of anti-American sentiment in the middle east and the world. Literally nothing Gore could have done could have come close to that cost.

The Bush Administration turned a moment of universal world support for the US into cynicism and hatred by wasting goodwill on pointless wars. They turned a nearly balanced budget into huge deficits. The Trump Administrations have been, somehow, infinitely worse. No, there is no world in which things went worse.

[1] https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/true-cost-iraq-war-...