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ggm ◴[] No.45081331[source]
Remarkable hostility and strange circular logic from some people posting here. Clearly belief outstrips evidence.

If research suggests there's an observable asymptotic trend, public health dollars at the very least might be better spent on quality of life as much as quantity.

The posts saying an atom of oxygen is potentially infinitely long lived (ignoring radioactive decay?) As a "proof" that life extension has no limit is about as reductively silly as it is possible to be.

Bills of mortality bootstrapped Financial investment in annuities. You think the money people aren't tracking this trend now, when they have for the last 400 or more years?

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nabla9 ◴[] No.45081536[source]
Radical life extension within our lifetimes has become secular religion substitute. It’s driven more by hope and faith than by scientific fact.

While a lifespan has no limits in theory if technology is advanced enough, the belief that it can be achieved by a living person is based on hope rather than evidence.

- Possible in our lifetime.

- Affordable to the faithful.

You remove these two, and the faithful lose their interest in discussing the matter.

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brabel ◴[] No.45081649[source]
What theory says that human lifespan has no limits with technology assistance? Anything involving replacing biological systems with artificial ones is not really extending human lifespan, it’s replacing human life with something else.
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nabla9 ◴[] No.45081697[source]
If you had full understanding of human cell and how they contribute to homeostasis, you could reprogram the cell to rejuvenate them endlessly without turning into cancer (many cancers have unlimited lifespan). You would also need to find ways to remove all cruft that gradually accumulates even in healthy body, like heavy metals etc.
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brabel ◴[] No.45082139[source]
How do you know that you could? That’s the question! If we did understand biology perfectly it may be that we would then prove no organism can live forever and reproduction is the only way.
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XorNot ◴[] No.45082740{3}[source]
Because there's absolutely no reason to believe that's the case? Like I don't know what the point of this argument is: maybe it's impossible. Sure, great. Okay. But you know...let's actually find out, because it looks very possible if hard from our current vantage point.
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ecb_penguin ◴[] No.45082796{4}[source]
There's also no reason to believe the opposite is the case.

> Like I don't know what the point of this argument is

The point of the argument is to stop people like you from making declarations about what is possible without any evidence

> Sure, great. Okay. But you know...let's actually find out

Can you show me where anyone said we shouldn't find out?

> because it looks very possible

There's absolutely no reason to believe that's the case

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exe34 ◴[] No.45082965{5}[source]
Do you believe this limit on lifespan is a uniquely human condition? or do you believe that it's impossible for any animal whatsoever to have a long lifespan (let's say 400 years for the sake of argument here).
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Qem ◴[] No.45083860{6}[source]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_shark
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1. exe34 ◴[] No.45086300{7}[source]
yes precisely. that's why I picked 400 years